Reality_Check comments on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational - Less Wrong

86 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 08 October 2012 08:01AM

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Comment author: ArisKatsaris 10 October 2012 03:44:52PM *  -1 points [-]

Authority: person with opinions that others agree with.

Then far from saying that "there are no authorities", you ought have said "everyone is an authority", since every person has at least some opinions that other people agree with. (I at least don't know of anyone who is wrong about absolutely everything, so by that definition I consider everyone an authority)

I'll note that this is not a typical usage of the word 'authority' and therefore I'll not be using it in the future as it can only create confusion, not communicate meaning decently.

Comment author: Reality_Check 10 October 2012 03:51:23PM *  -2 points [-]

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Comment author: Peterdjones 10 October 2012 04:13:20PM *  2 points [-]
  • Appropriate authority:Expert.
  • Expert: Person whose opinions are worth something.
Comment author: TheOtherDave 10 October 2012 04:08:17PM 1 point [-]

At the risk of repeating myself I'll weigh in here: X is an authority with respect to a proposition P to the extent that X's assertion of P is evidence for P.

On many topics, some people's assertions are stronger evidence than others. That makes those people authorities on those topics, relatively speaking.

To my mind, the interesting question is how we best distinguish actual authorities on a topic from people who merely claim authority. That's difficult. But the first step in learning distinguish among A and B is to acknowledge that A and B actually are different things: in this case, that actual authorities on a topic are a distinct thing in the world from non-authorities.

Asserting that there are no authorities, or that everyone is equally authoritative, is a step in the wrong direction.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 10 October 2012 04:02:25PM *  0 points [-]

How is 'everyone an authority' different from 'there are no authorities?'

Well, using your definition of authority as "person with opinions that others agree with", these statements would translate as follows:
- 'everyone is an authority' becomes "Every person has opinions that others agree with."
- 'there are no authorities' becomes "No person has opinions that others agree with."

The problem is that you seem to want to use the connotations of the word "authority", but you aren't explicitly including them in your definition.

What's your definition?.

I don't use the word 'authority' in reference to people, because it communicates meaning badly. I'd prefer to use a word like 'expert' or a phrase like 'informed on the subject'.