Jonathan_Graehl comments on Causal Diagrams and Causal Models - Less Wrong

61 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 12 October 2012 09:49PM

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Comment author: wedrifid 13 October 2012 06:39:47AM 31 points [-]

The statisticians who discovered causality were trying to find a way to distinguish, within survey data, the direction of cause and effect - whether, as common sense would have it, more obese people exercise less because they find physical activity less rewarding; or whether, as in the virtue theory of metabolism, lack of exercise actually causes weight gain due to divine punishment for the sin of sloth.

I recommend that Eliezer edit this post to remove this kind of provocation. The nature of the actual rationality message in this post is such that people are likely to link to it in the future (indeed, I found it via an external link myself). It even seems like something that may be intended to be part of a sequence. As it stands I expect many future references to be derailed and also expect to see this crop up prominently in lists of reasons to not take Eliezer's blog posts seriously. And, frankly, this reason would be a heck of a lot better than most others that are usually provided by detractors.

Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 13 October 2012 07:24:27PM 0 points [-]

But not quite as damaging as rationalist case study: the ideal child-bearing age turns out to be 13 years old (advances in modern medicine, you know).

Comment author: ThrustVectoring 13 October 2012 11:11:29PM 10 points [-]

Ideal for what, exactly? Churning out the most babies in the shortest amount of time? Having a happy and well-adjusted populace? Having a long life?

Ideal is a very loaded word and using it implies that there's an obvious utility function, when there often isn't.

Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 14 October 2012 09:58:44PM 1 point [-]

In any case, 13 is too young in many cases. I was being facetious.