shminux comments on How To Have Things Correctly - Less Wrong

57 Post author: Alicorn 17 October 2012 06:10AM

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Comment author: thomblake 17 October 2012 03:28:37PM 2 points [-]

You seem to conflate owning with sharing.

No, it's conflating ownership with potential-ownership. The idea is, I can store apples at the grocery store or in my pantry - there is basically no chance that I will go to pick up my apples at the grocery store and they won't be available for sale, so it's just trivial that I haven't spent the money on them yet.

Comment author: shminux 17 October 2012 03:50:25PM 0 points [-]

The comment I was replying to said

I am the owner of a 16 inch telescope, a jet ski, a table with a gourmet meal at the best restaurant in the city

None of those qualify as "potential-ownership", they are a shared-access resource.

Comment author: wedrifid 17 October 2012 03:58:30PM 1 point [-]

None of those qualify as "potential-ownership", they are a shared-access resource.

Is there something about "potential-ownership" that gives it a different meaning to "an item that I could potentially buy and thereby become the owner of"?

Comment author: thomblake 17 October 2012 06:10:56PM 0 points [-]

I'm confused. How are jet skis relevantly different from apples?

Comment author: shminux 17 October 2012 06:49:47PM 0 points [-]

From the context, roystgnr meant renting jet skis for a day, rather than owning and maintaining them. You can hardly do that with apples.

Comment author: thomblake 18 October 2012 01:48:06PM 0 points [-]

No, really.

In some sense I am the owner of a [...] jet ski [...] because at any time I could go out and buy them if the whim struck hard enough.

(emphasis added)

Buy, not rent.

Comment author: shminux 18 October 2012 03:54:26PM 0 points [-]

I interpreted it as buying a service, not an object, but it's up to roystgnr to clarify.

Comment author: roystgnr 30 October 2012 05:37:53PM 1 point [-]

My recollection and interpretation was buying/objects not renting/services. Picking an object like a jet ski that is probably more often rented than bought was probably a misleading choice of example, sorry.

Anyway, it's not up to me to clarify anymore - gwern found the original quote, so you can debate the interpretation of that rather than of my half-recollected paraphrasing. :-)