chaosmosis comments on Stuff That Makes Stuff Happen - Less Wrong

51 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 18 October 2012 10:49AM

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Comment author: chaosmosis 17 October 2012 06:05:55PM *  8 points [-]

When I google "koan", the first result is Wikipedia which says a koan is "a story, dialogue, question, or statement, which is used in Zen practice to provoke the "great-doubt", and test the students progress in Zen practice". Very Zen, that supports my side. The second result is Merriam-Webster's dictionary, which says a koan is "a paradox to be meditated upon that is used to train Zen Buddhist monks to abandon ultimate dependence on reason". My side. The third result is for a page titled "101 Zen Koans", which again supports my belief.

Eliezer has a history of associating mysticism with rationality, as well.

My personal concern is that using words wrong is annoying because I don't like people mucking up my conceptual spaces. I can't disassociate koans from mysticism and riddles, which makes it awkward and aesthetically unpleasing for me to approach problems of rationality from a "koan".

That said, it's probably too late to change the format of the problems in this current sequence. But I'd like it to never happen again after this gets done.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 17 October 2012 08:14:11PM 0 points [-]

I suspect it will continue to happen. Invoking the cultural trappings of a certain kind of mysticism while discussing traditionally "rational" topics is, as you note, a popular practice... and not only of Eliezer's.

I recommend treating the word "koan" as used here as a fancy way of saying "exercise".