Manfred comments on Stuff That Makes Stuff Happen - Less Wrong

51 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 18 October 2012 10:49AM

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Comment author: Manfred 18 October 2012 07:47:54PM *  2 points [-]

The only trouble I see is that "koan" makes it totally okay to think about it for a while without finding the answer, while "puzzle" might cause people to propose solutions.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 19 October 2012 05:59:07AM 2 points [-]

Given that most people seem likely to look at the koan and think "yeah, I could solve that if I thought about it for a while" and then move on without actually thinking about it, anything that actually gets people to think about it seems like a good thing.

Comment author: Manfred 19 October 2012 03:18:55PM 2 points [-]

The only trouble is if people then have to unthink things, which humans are notoriously bad at :P

Comment author: Kindly 18 October 2012 09:21:24PM 1 point [-]

People have already been proposing solutions to the "koans", and I don't understand why that's a bad thing.

Comment author: DaFranker 18 October 2012 09:35:48PM -1 points [-]

The goal is to apply those algorithms we call "rationality" towards solving the koan, one of which involves withholding even just mentally formulating solutions as much as possible, and instead just thinking about the elements and properties of the problem properly without subjecting oneself to hack heuristics.

The word puzzle is, for most people, loaded with a trained impulse to shoot the first solution-sounding thing that pops to mind so that you can see whether you get a hedon / tribal status coin for a good answer or not.

Comment author: Kindly 18 October 2012 10:23:15PM 0 points [-]

Alright. I see where you're coming from, though I doubt that "puzzle" and "koan" have as many deep connotations as you claim.

Maybe the right thing to do is to actually write something to the effect of "Here is how you should be approaching these puzzles/koans"?