Eugine_Nier comments on Stuff That Makes Stuff Happen - Less Wrong

51 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 18 October 2012 10:49AM

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Comment author: Peterdjones 26 October 2012 01:05:30AM 0 points [-]

What has that to do with any causal powers of mathematical truth?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 26 October 2012 01:08:49AM 0 points [-]

If you what your causal graph to have the property I quoted here, you need to add nodes for mathematical truths.

Comment author: Peterdjones 26 October 2012 01:19:36AM 0 points [-]

Two people can arrive at the same solution to a crossword, but that does not mean there is a Cruciverbial Truth that has causal powers.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 26 October 2012 02:32:52AM *  0 points [-]

Yes it does. In this case said truth even has a physical manifestation, i.e., as the crossword-writer's solution as it exists in some combination of his head and his notes which is causal to the form of the crossword the solver sees.

Comment author: Peterdjones 26 October 2012 08:01:47AM -1 points [-]

It only has a physical manifestation. Cruciverbial Truth only summarises what could have been arrived at by a massively fine-grained examinination of the crossword-solver's neurology. It doesn't have causal powers of its own. Its redundant in relation to physics.