gwern comments on 2012 Less Wrong Census Survey: Call For Critiques/Questions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gwern 19 October 2012 01:55:26AM *  24 points [-]

Bonus questions:

  • Do you approve or disapprove of Eliezer's moderation of Roko's basilisk?
  • How many times have you read or edited the LessWrong.com wiki in the last month?
  • Drug use: caffeine, the amphetamine family (eg. Adderall or Ritalin), modafinil, nicotine (could be phrased to be either binary or weekly or monthly)
  • Perhaps a question about whether one reads Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality?
  • Big Five personality test? Shortest, short, long.

Third, please suggest a decent, quick, and at least somewhat accurate Internet IQ test I can stick in a new section, Unreasonably Long Bonus Questions.

GJP had a quick IQ test as part of their surveys, but it's not public. http://iqtest.dk takes about 20-30 minutes but is normed very hard, so you certainly don't have to worry about IQ inflation...

Comment author: jimrandomh 19 October 2012 02:12:05AM *  8 points [-]

Blur the "modafinil" question to "modafinil, armodafinil, or adrafinil", since the modafinil question is theoretically incriminating, so people are more likely to lie (or use the survey results to say bad things about us), but the blurred one isn't because adrafinil is unscheduled.

Comment author: gwern 19 October 2012 02:15:06AM 5 points [-]

Yes, that's not a bad idea. Would using the coinflipping technique be overkill?

Comment author: jimrandomh 19 October 2012 02:19:38AM 4 points [-]

Overkill for modafinil, maybe not overkill for the amphetamine family.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 October 2012 12:14:43PM 2 points [-]

the coinflipping technique

What's that?

Comment author: gwern 19 October 2012 02:43:54PM 9 points [-]

Respondents are instructed to flip a coin; if heads answer yes, if tails answer truthfully. The overall difference from 50% is the real overall percentage while giving every yes answer deniability. I forget what this is called but it's common on touchy topics.

Comment author: Antisuji 19 October 2012 08:30:06PM *  4 points [-]

It's called randomized response. I remember hearing about it first a year or two ago on LW.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 October 2012 10:48:29AM 6 points [-]

Drug use: caffeine, the amphetamine family (eg. Adderall or Ritalin), modafinil, nicotine (could be phrased to be either binary or weekly or monthly)

Maybe alcohol and marijuana too?

Comment author: wallowinmaya 19 October 2012 06:34:18PM 6 points [-]

And what about LSD? I would love to know how many folks here tried it.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 October 2012 08:25:03PM 5 points [-]

Yeah, that too (maybe “Psychedelic drugs (e.g. mescaline, psilocybin, LSD)”).

Comment author: wallowinmaya 20 October 2012 05:58:22PM 1 point [-]

That's the spirit!

Comment author: gwern 19 October 2012 02:42:28PM 5 points [-]

Those are more recreational, I was leaning toward enhancement.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 October 2012 02:44:27PM 5 points [-]

Yeah, but I still think it would be an interesting question.

Comment author: Curiouskid 22 October 2012 12:28:06AM 1 point [-]

There should probably be a general question like "how often do you take any of the following nootropics." Tyrosine, melatonin, tryptophan, 5htp, come to mind.

Comment author: Morendil 22 October 2012 08:20:07PM 2 points [-]

I vaguely remember (but can't now find) previous discussion that taking http://iqtest.dk more than once would skew scores upward from training effect. Any idea how large that effect might be?

Comment author: gwern 22 October 2012 08:50:40PM 1 point [-]

Not really, it varies per test. (Such norms and info is what professional psychologists & psychometricians are paying for when they pay through the nose for IQ tests.)

My general impression from looking at before-afters for the RAPM/BOMAT-using dual n-back studies was that the controls would improve on average something like half a question, which would translate to maybe 2 or 3 points?

Comment author: Morendil 22 October 2012 10:44:07PM 1 point [-]

Hmm. I got 138 yesterday, and I'm pretty sure the 120 I remember entering in last year's survey was from that same online test. Wondering what' s up with that.

Comment author: Multiheaded 21 October 2012 12:37:53PM *  2 points [-]

http://iqtest.dk takes about 20-30 minutes but is normed very hard, so you certainly don't have to worry about IQ inflation...

It is? Heh, +2 self-esteem right there!

Comment author: [deleted] 21 October 2012 10:47:50PM 0 points [-]

I seem to recall gwern mentioning his score on that test somewhere on PredictionBook, and me being very surprised as it was way lower than I had expected.

Comment author: David_Gerard 19 October 2012 07:23:34AM *  1 point [-]

Also, P(the above comment will be deleted by the mods).

Comment author: [deleted] 19 October 2012 08:59:27PM 1 point [-]

The mention of the basilisk was the main reason I didn't upvote gwern's comment.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 October 2012 12:23:51PM *  0 points [-]

0.05

Comment author: TimS 19 October 2012 09:04:29PM *  0 points [-]

Too high. It's the use / mention distinction. Mention of (existence of) basilisks is permitted, use (detailed description) is prohibited.

Or such appears to be the rule to me.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 20 October 2012 01:22:26AM 1 point [-]

I get the impression that mentioning it in prominent places also gets deleted.

Comment author: David_Gerard 20 October 2012 08:26:25AM 0 points [-]

Quite a few of the recently observed mass deletions have started from what was a mention.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 October 2012 07:28:12PM 1 point [-]

I missed those (as in 'didn't notice', not as in 'was nostalgic about').

Comment author: evand 19 October 2012 04:07:00AM 1 point [-]

Nitpick: Ritalin is not an amphetamine (no alpha methyl group), though it is a phenethylamine.

Comment author: gwern 19 October 2012 04:33:12AM 1 point [-]

Ah, my bad. I thought Ritalin was another mix of salts like Adderall.

Comment author: evand 19 October 2012 01:14:20PM 2 points [-]

Nope. FWIW, I think they should be in the same category for purposes of the survey, I'm just not sure what to call said category. I'd also put methcathinone in said category (though I hope nobody around here is using it for productivity purposes). Cocaine might deserve its own category.

Comment author: RobertLumley 19 October 2012 02:01:51AM 1 point [-]

How many times have you read or edited the LessWrong.com wiki in the last month?

This would be better asked over the course of a year for me. It might be 4 edits over the past year. I would be unsure what to say for month.

Comment author: gwern 19 October 2012 02:08:33AM 1 point [-]

I don't think people would remember how often they visit the wiki over a year.

Comment author: blashimov 19 October 2012 07:45:23AM *  0 points [-]

Unless they are really new, they could guess by multiplying by 12 or the appropriate number. If they are really new, they can also be pretty sure it isn't much over this month. EDIT: Spelling, not strictly endorsing this strategy, someone would have to weigh the pro/con but I wanted to add more information.