novalis comments on 2012 Less Wrong Census Survey: Call For Critiques/Questions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: novalis 19 October 2012 06:43:11AM *  2 points [-]

I would be inclined to add in a "Anarchist" category for politics. And a surprising number of European parties are "Christian Democrat". They tend to be in favor of some level of wealth redistribution and of labor unions (unlike US conservatives), but socially conservative (unlike US liberals). Not sure if there's a general term for this; I've heard "religious left", but that seems open to alternate interpretations.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 19 October 2012 08:35:22AM 1 point [-]

I would be inclined to add in a "Anarchist" category for politics.

Should that be split into left-anarchist and right-anarchist/anarcho-capitalism?

And a surprising number of European parties are "Christian Democrat". They tend to be in favor of some level of wealth redistribution and of labor unions (unlike US conservatives), but socially conservative (unlike US liberals).

Aren't those basically their countries right of center parties?

Comment author: novalis 19 October 2012 05:40:56PM 2 points [-]

Aren't those basically their countries right of center parties?

In the Netherlands, the CDA is more center-right (with VVD and PVV being considered on the right). Even when Christan Democrats are considered right-wing, that means supporting a different set of policies than US Republicans or UK Tories. The leader of PVV is openly gay; no openly gay Republican has ever held national office. The cluster "traditional values, low taxes, low redistribution of wealth" just doesn't describe these parties very well.

I'm not super-versed in European politics, so I could be totally wrong here.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 October 2012 12:20:42PM 1 point [-]

Should that be split into left-anarchist and right-anarchist/anarcho-capitalism?

Wouldn't the latter go into “Libertarian” as it currently exists in the poll?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 20 October 2012 01:34:52AM 1 point [-]

If don't specify anarchism as left-anarchism, some of them might vote for it.

Comment author: [deleted] 20 October 2012 08:50:52AM *  2 points [-]

Yes. I meant it's not terribly useful to have right-anarchism and right-libertarianism separately. What I would do is renaming “Libertarianism” to “Free-market libertarianism or anarcho-capitalism” while keeping the description and the example intact, and add “Libertarian socialism or (left) anarchism, for example [something]: socially permissive, no private property of means of production”. But Yvain says he doesn't want to change the question so we can compare the answers to those in the previous surveys, so this is moot.