Viliam_Bur comments on 2012 Less Wrong Census Survey: Call For Critiques/Questions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 19 October 2012 12:31:22PM 5 points [-]

What is the probability that supernatural events, defined as those involving ontologically basic mental entities, have occurred since the beginning of the universe?

What does "ontologically basic mental entities" mean?

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 19 October 2012 09:09:50PM 1 point [-]

I suppose: "mental things which are not composed of smaller non-mental things". If this is a correct explanation, please add it to the survey.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 20 October 2012 02:07:31AM 1 point [-]

Taboo "composed of".

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 20 October 2012 09:40:45AM 0 points [-]

Uhh... it can be understood as a set (with size larger than one) of things and their interactions...?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 21 October 2012 01:35:15AM 2 points [-]

Let me ask a specific question. Are particles "composed of" wave functions, or are wave functions composed of particles, both, neither?

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 21 October 2012 05:12:10PM *  1 point [-]

Honestly, I don't know. Maybe they are just both partial descriptions of the same thing, which at this moment seems to be not composed, but these is a chance we will later discover that some particle is composed of smaller particles (this happened with atoms, later happened with protons). This kind of decomposition will probably not continue infinitely; there will be some particles (many of them we probably already know) that are not composed of other particles; they could be reduced yet to something else, but after a few steps we will get to the pure math. Well... maybe.

But does a similar situation exist when speaking about "mental things"? Can mental things be indivisible, like waves or particles, in other ways than metaphorically? Is there a thinking without a mind made of atoms; is there a feeling without hormones; an idea or memory without a storage medium? (If yes, why should we use the same words for them that other people use for those psychological things made of atoms?)

If someone believes so, then they should choose that they believe in "ontologically basic mental entities".