nyan_sandwich comments on Causal Reference - Less Wrong

30 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 October 2012 10:12PM

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Comment author: drnickbone 21 October 2012 02:07:37PM 3 points [-]

How could qualia cause those memories to become encoded if they were epiphenomenal to brain states?

You have it the wrong way around. In epiphenomenalism, brain states cause qualia, qualia don't cause brain states.

The question was rhetorical of course... the point is that if your qualia truly are epiphenomenal, then there is no way you can remember having had them. So you're left with an extremely weak inductive argument from just one data point, basically "my brain states are creating qualia right now, so I'll infer that they always created the same qualia in the past, and that similar brain states in other people are creating similar qualia". It doesn't take extreme skepticism to suspect there is a problem with that argument.

Comment author: khafra 22 October 2012 04:46:12PM 1 point [-]

Still seems like Occam's Razor would rule against past versions of me and all versions of other people--all of which seem to behave like I do, for the reasons I do--doing so without the qualia I have.