shminux comments on Causal Reference - Less Wrong

30 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 October 2012 10:12PM

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Comment author: shminux 22 October 2012 05:57:03PM *  0 points [-]

I'm partially testing my own understanding of the subject here.

Most of what you said is either wrong or meaningless, so I don't know where to begin unraveling it, sorry. Feel free to ask simple questions of limited scope if you want to learn more about black holes, horizons, singularities and related matters. The subject is quite non-trivial and often counter-intuitive.

Comment author: DaFranker 22 October 2012 07:56:54PM 0 points [-]

Hmm, alright.

In more vague, amateur terms, isn't the whole horizon thing always the same case, i.e. it's causally linked to the rest of the universe by observations in the past and inferences using presumed laws of physics, even if the actual state of things beyond the horizon (or inside it or whatever) doesn't change what we can observe?

Comment author: shminux 22 October 2012 08:19:22PM 1 point [-]

The event horizon in an asymptotically flat spacetime (which is not quite the universe we live in, but a decent first step) is defined as the causal past of the infinite causal future. This definition guarantees that we see no effects whatsoever from the part of the universe that is behind the event horizon. The problem with this definition is that we have to wait forever to draw the horizon accurately. Thus there are several alternative horizons which are more instrumentally useful for theorem proving and/or numerical simulations, but are not in general identical to the event horizon. The cosmological event horizon is a totally different beast (it is similar to the Rindler horizon, used to derive the Unruh effect), though it does share a number of properties with the black hole event horizon. There are further exciting complications once you get deeper into the subject.