thomblake comments on Causal Reference - Less Wrong

30 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 October 2012 10:12PM

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Comment author: thomblake 26 October 2012 06:28:54PM 0 points [-]

Reduction and elimination are clearly different.

Only minorly. We could just as well still talk about phlogiston, which is just negative oxygen. The difference between reduction and elimination is just that in the latter, we do not think the concept is useful anymore. If there are different "we"s involved, you might have the same analysis result in both.

Comment author: Peterdjones 27 October 2012 04:14:23PM 0 points [-]

Only minorly. We could just as well still talk about phlogiston, which is just negative oxygen.

Not very menaingfully. What does that mean in terms of modern physics? Negatively ionised oxygen? Anti-oxygen? Negatively massive oxygen?

The difference between reduction and elimination is just that in the latter, we do not think the concept is useful anymore

Well, that's a difference.

Only minorly.

Is it minority opinion that reductive materialism and eliminative materialism are different positions?

"The reductive materialist contrasts the eliminativist more strongly, arguing that a mental state is well defined, and that further research will result in a more detailed, but not different understanding.[3]"--WP