novalis comments on Causal Reference - Less Wrong

30 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 October 2012 10:12PM

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Comment author: novalis 28 October 2012 03:22:38AM 2 points [-]

No, I'm saying that you could hold all of the physical facts fixed and my cat might still not be fuzzy. This is somewhat absurd, but I have a tremendously good imagination; if I can imagine zombies, I can imagine fuzz-zombies.

Comment author: RichardChappell 28 October 2012 05:12:24AM 1 point [-]

This is somewhat absurd

More than that, it's obviously incoherent. I assume your point is that the same should be said of zombies? Probably reaching diminishing returns in this discussion, so I'll just note that the general consensus of the experts in conceptual analysis (namely, philosophers) disagrees with you here. Even those who want to deny that zombies are metaphysically possible generally concede that the concept is logically coherent.

Comment author: novalis 28 October 2012 04:06:49PM 3 points [-]

This is somewhat absurd

More than that, it's obviously incoherent. I assume your point is that the same should be said of zombies?

On reflection, I think that's right. I'm capable of imagining incoherent things.

I'll just note that the general consensus of the experts in conceptual analysis (namely, philosophers) disagrees with you here

I guess I'm somewhat skeptical that anyone can be an expert in which non-existent things are more or less possible. How could you tell if someone was ever correct -- let alone an expert? Wouldn't there be a relentless treadmill of acceptance of increasingly absurd claims, because nobody want to admit that their powers of conception are weak and they can't imagine something?