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Comment author: crazy88 25 October 2012 09:46:00PM 3 points [-]

Today, we often simulate our human ancestors' lives, e.g., Civilization. Our descendants will like want to simulate their own ancestors, namely us, and they may have much-improved simulation technology which support sentience. So, our simulators are likely to be our (post-)human descendants.

This sounds a lot like "If our simulators are like us then they are like us" or (more fairly) "if our simulators are like us in respect X, then they are also likely to be like us in respect Y,Z..."

Do we have any reason to think the simulators will be like us in respect to the issue of wanting to simulate beings like themselves?

Comment author: drethelin 25 October 2012 10:57:34PM 9 points [-]

I think it's more that if we are being simulated, the most likely simulating party is our future, if we take our OWN propensity to simulate our past as evidence. Human simulators are far more likely to simulate humans out of all possible intelligences than other intelligences are.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 26 October 2012 08:28:06AM 6 points [-]

If our simulations were conscious, many of them would logically conclude that our world is inhabited by orcs and elves with magical powers.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 26 October 2012 03:21:23PM *  2 points [-]

Does that imply that the laws of the basement universe are even more 'boring' than our own? They decided to spice it up a little with 'magic' like... umm... well, I can't think of any disposable rules. Maybe the weak force, to make nukes possible. But that doesn't seem very fun.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 27 October 2012 11:52:08PM *  0 points [-]
Comment author: JoshuaFox 28 October 2012 08:19:35PM 0 points [-]

Thanks. There was also a comic in which the people of world realize that they are in a simulation, a video game. They all refuse to fight for the simulator's entertainment. The last panel is the teenager playing the game who says "this is boring" and turns it off. Do you have a link for that one?

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 27 October 2012 02:19:29PM 0 points [-]

Some people consider games like WoW boring, so... it depends. Even if the basement universe is more boring for its inhabitants, it does not need to be more boring for us.

Maybe our second law of thermodynamics is a limitation of the game. A time limit to prevent basement universe basement dwellers to literally spend eternity playing. :D

Comment author: patrickscottshields 27 October 2012 04:22:44AM 2 points [-]

If our simulators are human, that implies that their universe has laws of physics similar to our own. But if we're living in a simulation, I think it's more plausible that our simulators exist in a world operating under different laws of physics (e.g. they live in a universe which is more amenable to our-universe-scale simulation.) So I think other factors are in play which could lessen the probability that we are being simulated by humans, let alone our future.