Alicorn comments on How to Deal with Depression - The Meta Layers - Less Wrong

26 Post author: ShannonFriedman 26 October 2012 06:44PM

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Comment author: Alicorn 27 October 2012 09:03:48PM 10 points [-]

If you work with people who didn't find the standard interventions helpful, and they find your assistance helpful, that doesn't mean your thing works better - it means it works better on a group filtered for finding standard interventions unhelpful.

Comment author: chaosmosis 27 October 2012 09:53:47PM *  -2 points [-]

that doesn't mean your thing works better - it means it works better on a group filtered for finding standard interventions unhelpful.

False dichotomy, it's evidence for both. One conclusion might be false and the other true but other arguments are required for you to get to that point.

Comment author: wedrifid 28 October 2012 03:07:21AM *  3 points [-]

False dichotomy, it's evidence for both. One conclusion might be false and the other true but other arguments are required for you to get to that point.

Yes, it is probably evidence for both, depending somewhat on what people's beliefs are about how those in the subset likely differ from the others in the superset with regards to relative response to interventions.

However, I wouldn't say Alicorn was presenting a dichotomy. Sure, I would have said "that doesn't necessarily mean" in the first case and "but it does mean" in the second just for extra specificity but I wouldn't say that is required.

Comment author: chaosmosis 28 October 2012 07:57:20AM 1 point [-]

However, I wouldn't say Alicorn was presenting a dichotomy. Sure, I would have said "that doesn't necessarily mean" in the first case and "but it does mean" in the second just for extra specificity but I wouldn't say that is required.

I don't understand how it isn't a dichotomy.

Comment author: ShannonFriedman 27 October 2012 10:43:06PM 0 points [-]

My group is mixed. Some didn't find standard interventions helpful, some found them somewhat helpful and then improved more working with me. Its actually more a filter of people who think similarly enough to me to hire me. But I have also worked with random friends of friends recommendations who improved, who I think are far less like the normal cluster that is likely to find me.

Comment author: wedrifid 28 October 2012 03:05:21AM 2 points [-]

Its actually more a filter of people who think similarly enough to me to hire me.

I think this is close, and fortunately it is (roughly speaking) the same kinds people who are likely to read your post and take it on board. Others would be more likely to gloss over it because it isn't as salient to them.