arundelo comments on Rationality Quotes November 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: arundelo 03 November 2012 02:50:38PM 0 points [-]

And knock it off the with "buts", as in, "Thank you for clarifying, but it's not good enough..." You can say that without the "but": "Thank you for clarifying. That's very helpful. Now that I have basis to discuss your plans, I want to let you know how much I hate that..." It's not a "but" statement -- it doesn't sit in contradiction of the "thank you" -- it's an "and" statement: "Thank you for fixing problem #1 and problems #2 through #46 still exist."

The only place that "but" of contradiction makes rhetorical sense is in the latent, imaginary argument in one's head as to whether one is justified in being angry with or hating LJ [LiveJournal]. "Your clarification is a righteous behavior but insufficient to compensate, in my assessment of how much you suck, for all the other crap you've done." Or more concisely, "Yeah, but LJ still sucks for the following reason", as if the matter of debate isn't whether what LJ has done sucks, but whether LJ itself (or its staff) suck. The "but" betrays that you're really, in your heart, arguing the case of Why LJ Sucks, not What LJ Is Screwing Up This Time.

-- Siderea

(Hat-tip to Nancy Lebovitz.)

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 07 November 2012 02:50:50PM 4 points [-]

Meh. 'But' is just 'and' with a case of incongruity. That's what it is, so I don't see a problem with using it for that... though of course dark arts applications would be problematic.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 08 November 2012 01:01:07AM 0 points [-]

It's even more dark artsy to not even mention contrary evidence.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 08 November 2012 01:54:10PM 0 points [-]

Unless you know they'll run across it and want to control their exposure to it.

Comment author: Document 06 November 2012 10:13:37PM 2 points [-]

Train self to perceive the word "but" as an alarm bell. When tempted to use it in an argument, immediately abort sentence and reflect on whether to swap the clauses before and after it, or even save the latter for a more appropriate time. (I imagine a lot of people here already do that.)