ChristianKl comments on Rationality Quotes November 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 09 November 2012 12:21:06PM 2 points [-]

An intelligent god can selectively cause miracles to disrupt particular experiments or to lead scientists to a false conclusion.

An intelligent God could also write crap into a holy book to mislead people. A God that's good has no reason to mislead people.

Comment author: MugaSofer 09 November 2012 12:29:18PM 2 points [-]

A God that's good has no reason to mislead people.

Or does he?!

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 November 2012 12:33:19PM 1 point [-]

I'm talking from the perspective of modern people like Newton. They didn't consider a good God to engage in morally bad practices like lying and misleading.

Comment author: MugaSofer 09 November 2012 12:59:25PM *  2 points [-]

And I was joking.

That said, lying could be a necessary evil. Perhaps there are lovecraftian mind-destroying truths out there?

EDIT: relevent

Comment author: MugaSofer 09 November 2012 01:03:36PM *  0 points [-]

EDIT: Retracted due to double-post.

Comment author: CAE_Jones 09 November 2012 12:52:05PM -1 points [-]

There are places in the Bible where it sounds very much like God does not want to be clearly understood. I seem to remember a verse (I don't recall which book it's in...) where Jesus says that he speaks in parables (as opposed to plainly) because otherwise most people would understand him. The general argument I've heard is that evil serves a purpose, and perfection according to God requires the experience of lots and lots of bullcrap. The obvious question is why he wouldn't then create people with those experiences built in...

Comment author: MugaSofer 09 November 2012 01:02:41PM 1 point [-]

Jesus says that he speaks in parables (as opposed to plainly) because otherwise most people would understand him. The general argument I've heard is that evil serves a purpose, and perfection according to God requires the experience of lots and lots of bullcrap.

Those ... don't seem connected. You appear to be talking about theodicy.

As for "otherwise most people would understand him", I think that's in the context of hiding his messiah-ness.