Eugine_Nier comments on Rationality Quotes November 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 12 November 2012 01:21:39AM *  6 points [-]

Is this a possible use of 'CEV?' So far as I understand CEV, it's not possible that it could change

Yes. Society's behaviors and their CEV can get closer together without the CEV changing at all. Also note that while CEV<CultureX_2003> is a (very slightly) different thing to CEV<CultureX_2004> even though neither of those "CEVs" change at all.

A potential criticism of army's definition is that it allows for "cultural wireheading" and as such would be a lost purpose if "moral progress" was substituted in as a all-purpose goal or measure of achievement. (That said, I've never really thought of "moral progress" as that-which-should-be-optimised anyhow.)

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 13 November 2012 01:51:40AM 4 points [-]

(That said, I've never really thought of "moral progress" as that-which-should-be-optimised anyhow.)

Then why is "moral progress" a useful concept?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 13 November 2012 05:29:18AM 3 points [-]

It describes how to compute that-which-should-be-optimized.

Comment author: wedrifid 13 November 2012 08:11:23AM *  0 points [-]

EDIT: Replied to wrong message. (Curse my android!)

Comment author: [deleted] 13 November 2012 11:04:08PM 2 points [-]

Shoes aren't that-which-should-be-optimized either, but that doesn't mean that the concept of shoe is not useful.