RichardKennaway comments on Rationality Quotes November 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 16 November 2012 07:57:58PM 4 points [-]

"let the problem solve itself"..

I'm not familiar with the history of the migrations to the USA of the 19th and early 20th centuries beyond a quick look at Wikipedia, but from that, it looks like it pretty much did solve itself. There was friction. It passed.

Can you eliminate crime that way?

What has that to do with this discussion?

Comment author: gwern 17 November 2012 04:54:00PM 2 points [-]

I'm not familiar with the history of the migrations to the USA of the 19th and early 20th centuries beyond a quick look at Wikipedia, but from that, it looks like it pretty much did solve itself.

Weren't severe restrictions on immigration, practically closed borders, instituted during the early 1900s?

Comment author: TimS 17 November 2012 06:20:33PM 1 point [-]

It depends a bit on ethnicity. Quotas were in place that favored Northern and Western Europeans over Eastern and Southern (Mediterranean) Europeans. And anyone from Europe was favored over Japanese or Chinese - thus things like the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1880.

Comment author: gwern 17 November 2012 07:15:29PM 3 points [-]

Those favored ethnicities were also those closest to the existing elites' desired American culture, which kinda makes the point: they felt the more dissimilar ethnicities couldn't be absorbed at their existing immigration rate.

Comment author: Peterdjones 17 November 2012 03:18:47PM *  -2 points [-]

it looks like it pretty much did solve itself. There was friction. It passed.

Bussing, voter registration drives and reservations are all quite artificial and politicaly driven. Even pledging allegiance is a mildish form of (3).

ETA: Incidentally, you have throughout been associating multiculturalism with immigration, but minority aborginal populations can be relevant as well. Among other things.

Can you eliminate crime that way?

What has that to do with this discussion?

It is a way of making the point that hoping that problems solve themselves is hardly ever a workable solution to anything.