Desrtopa comments on Rationality Quotes November 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 18 November 2012 08:37:56PM 4 points [-]

The crusades are often portrayed as violent Christians invading Muslim lands, which forgets that the Muslims violently took those lands from Christians in the first place.

On the other hand, no one complains that the battle of Normandy consisted of violent democracies attacking the lands of the Third Reich.

Comment author: Desrtopa 19 November 2012 02:36:44PM 1 point [-]

If it's a question of whether religion has a history of motivating violence, it's worth considering why the Muslims took those lands to begin with.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 20 November 2012 01:04:55AM 1 point [-]

I agree that's a better example. One thing to notice is that the propensity of a religion to cause violence varies by religion.

Comment author: mrglwrf 19 November 2012 05:52:51PM *  -1 points [-]

Plunder and glory?

edit: To put it another way, I'd argue the conquest of traditionally Christian territories under the Rashidun and Ummayad Caliphs was due to religion in the same way the Spanish conquests in the Americas were - enabled and justified by religion, but motivated primarily by the desire for wealth and fame. I can go into further detail if anyone wants, though I doubt that is the case.