pragmatist comments on Open Thread, November 1-15, 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gwern 10 November 2012 05:39:49PM *  16 points [-]

#lesswrong is not official, is not populated exclusively by LWers, is not frequently discussed here, and if you look on the wiki, you'll see Eliezer specifically recommends against spending time in #lesswrong, so I think it's questionable that it ought to involve LessWrong at all.

Who should it involve? Well, startling was quoting Freenode rules, so Freenode is the obvious party to involve....

Or he could've been clearer and not blindsided me. I had no idea startling was personally offended because none of his comments were anything out of the ordinary for that vein of mock offensive humor - I have made many mock 'homophobic' jokes to papermachine and papermachine sometimes responds back as mock offended, but I do not really think papermachine is offended & despises me as reactionary homophobic scum. (Those jokes are buried in the other 115,000 IRC lines I have written.)

Nor do I expect Alicorn to drop by #lesswrong and mention that papermachine has written a long comment about on LW that I should probably take a look at, which papermachine has not mentioned at all despite being active in IRC at the same time as me that night.

Comment author: pragmatist 10 November 2012 05:55:23PM *  6 points [-]

I had no idea startling was personally offended because none of his comments were anything out of the ordinary for that vein of mock offensive humor

Seriously? You think it's plausible to interpret

gwern, "deceptive" is a pretty terrible word to use for trans people.

and

gwern, what a disgusting thing to say.

as humorous mock offended responses? How much clearer do you want him to be?

Comment author: gwern 10 November 2012 06:07:16PM 17 points [-]

Typically when you want to break out of a language game, you use standard indicators like 'no, seriously' or going to personal messages (as I believe someone has already suggested that startling should've done) or anything like that. Like when you are roughhousing with your brother or sister and they say 'that hurts' and you continue since, well, you're roughhousing, and then they say 'no, seriously, that hurts!' 'Oh, whups!'

There are all sorts of things like that in ordinary social games; although taking things out of context and as literally as possible is a very LW thing to do, so I am not surprised that I am not getting a sympathetic hearing here (although it is enforcing on me an appreciation of Freenode's Guidelines and Ivan's new channel rule that logging or quoting is banworthy).