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I'm completely baffled by questions 26, 29, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39 on the iq test. (http://iqtest.dk) I think I must be missing something. Can anyone explain what the answers are and why?
Should we answer here? Some people are still taking the test. I have this issue with a number of comments in this thread. The instructions did not mention anything about reading the comments before taking the survey.
If you're concerned with that, you can use ROT-13. But yeah, we should have told people not to read comments before taking the survey.
question 26 only. rot13
Frcnengryl pbafvqre gur "znva yvar," naq gur npprffbel yvarf. Va rirel genafsbezngvba, gur znva yvar ebgngrf pbhagrepybpxjvfr 45 qrterrf. Gung yrnqf gb N, Q, naq R nf cbffvovyvgvrf. Va gur gjb iregvpny genafsbezngvbaf, gur npprffbel yvarf pbaarpg gb gur raqcbvagf bs gur znva yvar. Gung yrnirf bayl N. Gurer vf nyfb n pbafvfgrapl va gur ebgngvba bs gur fznyyre yvarf, ohg vg'f zber pbzcyrk gb rkcerff. Guvf vf yvxryl abg gur orfg nafjre.
In looking again at the survey, I answered no questions at all, and got an IQ score of 78. I answered A to all questions and also got a 78.
This calls the test into question, which I'd love to do. Effing test gave me a 110 when I tried! How sucky is that?
(I think it might be a good test, showing me a developing problem with speed. But obviously it doesn't work well at the low end.)
I agree with your analysis, and further:
Gurer ner sbhe yvarf: gur gjb "ebgngvat" yvarf pbaarpgrq gb gur pragre qbg, naq gur gjb yvarf pbaarpgrq gb gur yrsg naq evtug qbgf. Gur pragre yvarf fgneg bhg pbaarpgrq gb gur fvqr qbgf, gura ebgngr pybpxjvfr nebhaq gur fdhner. Gur bgure yvarf NYFB ebgngr pybpxjvfr: gur yrsg bar vf pragrerq ba gur yrsg qbg, naq ebgngrf sebz gur pragre qbg qbja, yrsg, gura gb gur gbc, gura evtug, gura onpx gb gur pragre. Gur evtug yvar npgf fvzvyneyl.
I blogged about this, and between "g", the cheat page recommended by VincentYu, and me, we worked out solid answers to all the puzzling questions in the comments on the post.
http://johnlawrenceaspden.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/what-is-going-on-here.html
If anyone can't do any of the others, leave a comment there and I'll explain it.
For calibration/reassurance purposes, I got 130 on this test originally, and (worried by this) tried a couple of other free internet tests, on which all the questions seemed easy, which gave me 148 and 147 respectively (I'm assuming they're topping out around there. One of them can be pushed to 151 if you give all correct answers as fast as you can).
I have fairly good reasons to believe that I should (even in my current aged state) break any IQ test designed for the normal range, which belief is contradicted by iqtest.dk and confirmed by the two random ones.
I'm guessing the iqtest.dk is at least one standard deviation (15 points) out, and possibly twice that.
There's also the question of whether it's designed to be done 'cold', by someone who's never seen a Raven's matrix or a symmetry problem before, or whether before attempting it you should have practised those sorts of questions. And the thornier question of whether forcing scores to a normal distribution is a sensible thing to do.
I don't think we should; they deliberately do not publish the answers. Satisfying a few people's curiosity isn't enough reason to sabotage the test for others.
That's why rot13 was invented.
Nah, rot13 helps avoid casual spoilers but it doesn't count as not publishing the answers.
You could probably devise a code that requires non-trivial cryptanalysis and encrypt any discussion of the answers using that, and not publish the solution to the encryption. Then someone else can post here asking how to crack it, and so on ad nauseam.
A little bird tells me that decompiling the flash app reveals the answers. So by the non-trivial cryptanalysis definition they've published the answers themselves.
My point was that it wouldn't "sabotage the test for others", as you put it, because they wouldn't accidentally read the answers and invalidate their test results. Did I misinterpret your position?
I think the intention of not publishing the answers at all (rather than putting the answers behind a link saying "Spoilers - do not click if you don't want to know the answers") was that they do not want the answers published.
So, I think it would be rude to do so, that's all.
If you don't see them before you take the test, I fail to see why anyone should care. If someone wants to know the answers - I know I would - why should anyone want to stop them?
Rot-13 would prevent unintentional cheating, and I can't see the point of intentional cheating, as anything you could achieve through that you could achieve by photoshopping the results page.
33 - gurer vf n cnggrea ba qvntbanyf tbvat sebz fj gb ar: ubevmbagny, iregvpny, qvntbany. 34 - rnfl, artngvir va, cbfvgvir bhg, nqqvgvba. 36 - va rirel (ynetr) ebj/pbyhza gurer ner 9 juvgr obkrf, naq rnpu bs 5, 6 naq 7 bs bgure funqrf.
Anybody up to take on the others?
Spoilers should be rot13'd.
Thanks, and sorry. Fixed.
26 - Ebjf, gur guerr yvarf ner svkrq ng n cbvag naq ebgngr. 29, 35, 38 - Zvqqyr pbyhza vf gur genafsbezngvba cresbezrq ba gur yrsg pbyhza gb neevir ng gur evtug ebyhza.