TimS comments on Checklist of Rationality Habits - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ialdabaoth 13 November 2012 08:32:47PM *  3 points [-]

I used to think that way. The frustrating thing is, I used to LOVE work of all kind. What I hated was people with arbitrary power over me deliberately sabotaging my work, mostly (it seemed) because they were angry that I enjoyed it so much. One of the most powerful lessons I ever learned was that people at my socioeconomic level don't GET to "enjoy" their work. Even by accident.

I never really learned diplomacy and power politics, primarily due to being taught a form of "learned helplessness" about it when I was very young (I was not in a socioeconomic class where it was appropriate to display the amount of enthusiasm, talent and intelligence that I had, and I didn't know how to hide it).

Unfortunately, this led to making a lot of really, really bad political mistakes, each of which slowly eroded my enthusiasm at doing... well, at this point, at doing anything.

After a few years of being out of practice, I now find that I can't even bring myself to get out of bed in the morning and work on something interesting, because "what's the point?"

To me, there is NO difference between "lazy" and "haven't found situations that put you in a position to succeed". They are IDENTICAL. If society doesn't put you in positions to succeed, it has decided that you are lazy, and that means you ARE lazy. Agency has nothing to do with culpability, only blame.

Comment author: TimS 13 November 2012 09:18:01PM 0 points [-]

Also, this (warning, quite emotionally raw).

Comment author: ialdabaoth 13 November 2012 09:23:38PM 3 points [-]

Heh. Believe it or not, that's not as much of a problem. I've lived with constant suicidal ideation for almost 27 years now, since I was 12. I've become almost completely inured to it, and I've performed enough unsuccessful attempts that my mid-brain has learned very well not to bother. It's amusing to think that learned helplessness can be turned into a tool to combat suicidal ideation, but there it is. (I imagine this is why so many anti-depressants increase the risk of suicide - the learned helplessness is a tighter cycle, so it gets lifted faster, at which point the ideation hasn't faded yet and suddenly you imagine the possibility of something actually working, and it all finally being over for real.)