Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Why is Mencius Moldbug so popular on Less Wrong? [Answer: He's not.] - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 17 November 2012 06:01:39PM *  9 points [-]

You've read at least some of his material (since you commented on the ring of Fnargl thought experiment). I would be very interested in your opinion if you don't think this will cause those who agree or disagree with him to go funny in the head.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 November 2012 07:52:39PM 27 points [-]

Politics mindkilled him; he cannot separate the normative and the descriptive.

Comment author: taelor 18 November 2012 02:08:12AM 14 points [-]

One thing I noticed when I was archive-binging his site was that there was a very distinct threshold (which I think occurred sometime in '09, but don't quote me on that), when the primary message Moldbug was trying to convey abruptly switched from "Silly progressives! Democracy doesn't work like you think it works" to "Democracy is the worst thing that ever happened in the history of forever". This transition was accompanied by a marked upswing in his general level of bitterness.

Comment author: David_Gerard 18 November 2012 11:43:07AM 11 points [-]

And his inability to say anything in less than a zillion words. He can't get started in less than a thousand.

In general, life is too short to spend it working out what Moldbug's actual substantive point is.

Comment author: [deleted] 18 November 2012 01:05:44PM *  7 points [-]

This is in part a strategy to keep out the wrong contrarian cluster. But yes reading say Vladimir_M is a better use of time. Moldbug does have some very good essays though.

Comment author: David_Gerard 18 November 2012 02:32:39PM *  8 points [-]

That sounds very like using the reader's sunk cost fallacy as a marketing move.

I did like Moldbug's essay on the problem with academic computer science, and his rants on computer technology in general. I get more of a sense he knows what he's talking about, rather than pontificating as an interested amateur. (Even when I think he's wrong, it seems a more informed wrong.) It could just be greater subject interest on my part, of course.

Comment author: [deleted] 17 November 2012 08:02:02PM 5 points [-]

I think I agree with this.

Comment author: RomeoStevens 19 November 2012 12:24:28AM *  2 points [-]

I too think I agree but I think there is a spectrum when it comes to the separation of normative claims. Example: Both Marx and Kaczynski failed in distinguishing the normative from the descriptive, but Kaczynski less so.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 18 November 2012 03:46:47AM 1 point [-]

I do agree with this.

Comment author: MichaelAnissimov 18 November 2012 02:39:07PM 8 points [-]

Can you provide an example?

Comment author: CharlieSheen 21 November 2012 05:38:36PM 5 points [-]