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Comment author: JoshuaZ 22 November 2012 01:20:08AM 2 points [-]

and if the one long post of his I read is representative

Huh. That's an interesting post. There's a core idea that might be valid but it is lost in claims like:

Its core beliefs are claims about the spirit world, which no Catholic (except of course the Pope) has experienced firsthand.

Which is such a confused claim about Catholic doctrine that I'm not sure where to begin.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 November 2012 03:24:24AM 1 point [-]

There's a core idea that might be valid but it is lost in claims like:

Its core beliefs are claims about the spirit world, which no Catholic (except of course the Pope) has experienced firsthand.

Which is such a confused claim about Catholic doctrine that I'm not sure where to begin.

I think an accurate summary of Catholic doctrine is this: all Catholics, the Pope not excepted, have only one channel of communication to God, namely prayer. However, when speaking in his role as Universal Pastor, the Holy Spirit prevents him from teaching error. Lay Catholics are occasionally admitted to have spiritual experiences of a different kind, called charisms. However "discernment of charisms is always necessary. No charism is exempt from being referred and submitted to the Church's shepherds". In other words, the Catholic hierarchy treats lay "firsthand spiritual experiences" skeptically.

That is, it seems to me that your quoted passage is mistaken (or taking liberties) in a routine, understandable, and easily corrected way. Is it a mere "gotcha", or does it really poison the rest of the essay?

Comment author: JoshuaZ 25 November 2012 03:28:12AM *  0 points [-]

It is at best a massive oversimplification of both official and practical theology in the Church (decisions about whether a charism is genuine or not are often decided at levels well below the Pope). But yes, this wasn't the only example in the essay, just the first one in chronological order.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 November 2012 03:34:34AM 1 point [-]

Since Catholic theology is massively specious to begin with, I think you should have a higher threshold for what kinds of simplifications count as oversimplifications. Anyway I do.