conchis comments on Survey Results - Less Wrong

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Comment author: conchis 13 May 2009 02:59:44PM 2 points [-]

Consequentialism and deontology don't really 'mix' well.

What's wrong with maximize [insert consequentialist objective function here] subject to the constraints [insert deontological prohibitions here]?

Comment author: CarlShulman 13 May 2009 03:19:57PM 5 points [-]

Act A will certainly generate X units of good, and has a Y% chance of violating some constraint (killing somone, say). For what values of X and Y will you perform A? It's very tough for deontology to be dynamically consistent.

Comment author: conchis 13 May 2009 06:01:13PM *  3 points [-]

This is a problem for deontology in general, not a specific problem that arises when trying to combine it with consequentialism.

Whatever probability Y a deontologist would accept can simply be built into the constraint. If the constraint is satisfied, then you do A iff it maximizes X. Otherwise you don't.

Comment author: thomblake 13 May 2009 03:13:03PM 0 points [-]

Then there are further questions:

  1. why maximize that? , and

  2. why use those constraints?

Note that both of these are ethical questions. The way you answer one might have implications for the answer to the other.

Comment author: MichaelBishop 13 May 2009 07:33:04PM 0 points [-]

Can't both of these questions be asked of pure consequentialists?

Comment author: thomblake 13 May 2009 08:30:23PM 0 points [-]

Sure, but the point is that one concern will probably collapse into the other. For a pure consequentialist, question 2 is either irrelevant or answered by question 1, and for question 1 you will end up in a bit of a circle where "because it maximizes overall net utility" is the only possible answer, with maybe an "obviously" down the line.

Comment author: conchis 14 May 2009 11:36:06PM *  0 points [-]

For a pure consequentialist...

Well, yes. But we're not talking about pure consequentialists. It's obvious that hybrid deontology-consequentialism is inconsistent with pure consequentialism; it's also beside the point.

Deontological constraints are seldom sufficient to determine right action. When they're not it seems perfectly natural to try to fill the neither-prohibited-nor-obligatory middle ground with something that looks pretty much like consequentialism.