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Comment author: RichardKennaway 20 November 2012 05:27:43PM 4 points [-]

Gwern suggested that, if it were possible for civilization to have developed when our species had a lower IQ, then we'd still be dealing with the same problems, but we'd have a lower IQ with which to tackle them. Or, to put it another way, it is unsurprising that living in a civilization has posed problems that our species finds difficult to tackle, because if we were capable of solving such problems easily, we'd probably also have been capable of developing civilization earlier than we did.

And to put it yet another way, by something like a Peter Principle ("people are promoted to their level of incompetence"), we create problems up to our capacity to deal with them. However stupid or intelligent we are, we will always be dealing with problems at the edge of what we can deal with.

This, btw, makes me sceptical about predictions of radical increases in intelligence (of us or of our creations) bringing about paradise.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 November 2012 07:38:53AM 3 points [-]

we create problems up to our capacity to deal with them. However stupid or intelligent we are, we will always be dealing with problems at the edge of what we can deal with.

Were you thinking of any specific societal problems when you wrote this?

Most societal problems of today had smaller scale analogues in the past. Foreign relations, warfare, and internal security should have existed at least as long as there have been city states. Unsustainable development and overpopulation relative to available resources are nothing new; they were even cited in the main post as contributors to Ur's downfall. Likewise, public sickness, waste management, violent and coercive crime, inadequate housing, and unfavorable economic climates would all be familiar to, say, the Indus Valley Civilization. A few examples of modern anthropogenic risks: climate change, unfriendly intelligence explosion, nuclear warfare, nanotech. And then of course negentropy opportunity cost is an old problem we didn't create, we just didn't know about it back in the day.

In short, smart societies make a few new difficult problems, but mostly make larger societies which have larger versions of the old problems.