orthonormal comments on How minimal is our intelligence? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DuncanS 22 November 2012 12:25:18AM *  3 points [-]

What is the essential difference between human and animal intelligence? I don't actually think it's just a matter of degree. To put it simply, most brains are once-through machines. They take input from the senses, process it in conjunction with memories, and turn that into actions, and perhaps new memories. Their brains have lots of special-purpose optimizations for many things, and a surprising amount can be achieved like this. The brains are once-through largely because that's the fastest approach, and speed is important for many things. Human brains are still mostly once-through.

But we humans have one extra trick, which is to do with self-awareness. We can to an extent sense the output of our brains, and that output then becomes new input. This in turn leads to new output which can become input again. This apparently simple capability - forming a loop - is all that's needed to form a Turing-complete machine out of the specialized animal brain.

Without such a loop, an animal may know many things, but it will not know that it knows them. Because it isn't able to sense explicitly about it was just thinking about, it can't then start off a new thought based on the contents of the previous one.

The divide isn't absolute, I'm sure - I believe essentially all mammals have quite a bit of self-awareness, but only in humans does that facility seem to be good enough to allow the development of a chain of thought. And that small difference makes all the difference in the world.

Comment author: orthonormal 22 November 2012 06:17:37AM 4 points [-]

Chimps can suss out recursive puzzles where you have color-coded keys and locks, and you need to unlock Box A to get Key B to unlock Box B to get Key C to unlock Box C which contains food. They even choose the right box to unlock when one chain leads to the food and the other doesn't.

Sorry, there's not a difference of kind to be found here.

Comment author: jsteinhardt 22 November 2012 08:21:21PM 1 point [-]

How much training is necessary for them to do this? Humans can reason this out without any training, if the chimps had to be trained substantially (e.g. first starting with one box, being rewarded with food, then starting with two boxes, etc.) then I think this would constitute a difference.

Comment author: [deleted] 22 November 2012 08:27:22PM 4 points [-]

Well, one could argue that humans "train" for similar problems throughout their lives... Would you expect a feral child to figure that out straight away?

Comment author: MugaSofer 22 November 2012 06:28:14AM 0 points [-]

But then, there are plenty of examples of chimps exhibiting behavior that implies intelligence.