RichardKennaway comments on How minimal is our intelligence? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 23 November 2012 04:47:45PM *  2 points [-]

Certainly -- tautologically -- he's not a better guardian of his or her own self interest than some who is in fact a better one. But inventing a fictional character who is in fact a better one does not advance any argument.

One might as well invent a nonrandom do-gooder who thinks they have properly researched what they think are the specific problems the person is dealing with and thinks they have developed expertise in solving them with resources that they think the person has had no opportunity to learn to make use of, but who is nonetheless wrong. As with, apparently, and non-fictionally, the Kenyan Ministry of Agriculture.

Comment author: Desrtopa 23 November 2012 05:50:55PM *  2 points [-]

Of course, less qualified guardians of an individual's self interest who believe themselves to be more qualified are a legitimate risk, but that doesn't mean that the optimal solution is to have individuals act exclusively as guardians of their own self interest.

If the Kenyan Ministry of agriculture follows the prescriptions of the researchers in the article cited above, they will thereby become better guardians of those farmers' interests than the farmers have thus far been, within that domain.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 23 November 2012 06:35:39PM 0 points [-]

Of course, less qualified guardians of an individual's self interest who believe themselves to be more qualified are a legitimate risk, but that doesn't mean that the optimal solution is to have individuals act exclusively as guardians of their own self interest.

The optimal solution isn't necessarily to have someone else act as the "guardian" of their self-interest, however well informed. BTW, I don't know if this is true of American English, but in British English, one meaning of "guardian" is what an orphan has in place of parents. Doing things for adults without consulting them is usually a bad idea.

If the Kenyan Ministry of agriculture follows the prescriptions of the researchers in the article cited above, they will thereby become better guardians of those farmers' interests than the farmers have thus far been, within that domain.

Not if they try to do so by simply coming in and telling the farmers what to do, nor by deciding the farmers' economic calculations are wrong and manipulating subsidies to get them to do differently. (I've only glanced at the article; I don't know if this is what they did.) Even when they're right about what the farmers should be doing, they will go wrong if they use the wrong means to get that to happen. Providing information might be a better way to go. The presumption that if only you know enough, you can direct other people's lives for them is pretty much always wrong.

Comment author: Peterdjones 23 November 2012 08:00:37PM 2 points [-]

Doing things for adults without consulting them is usually a bad idea.

But none of the examples given are of one person taking over another's life. Most of this debate revolves around the fallact that someone either runs their own life, or has it run for them. In fact, there are many degress of advice/help/co-operation.

Comment author: DSimon 23 November 2012 07:13:10PM *  1 point [-]

I don't know if this is true of American English, but in British English, one meaning of "guardian" is what an orphan has in place of parents.

Yes, this meaning is in American English as well. A typical parental permission form for a child to go on a field trip or what-have-you will ask for the signature of "a parent or legal guardian".