Vertigo comments on Thoughts on designing policies for oneself - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vertigo 07 December 2012 01:03:48AM 6 points [-]

Love this.

How do you feel about using rituals to reinforce habits and create momentum for new policies? It's basically outsourcing willpower to past selves.

For instance, I've always had a hard time regulating my sleep schedule. It's not always that I can't sleep, but that I seldom want to go to sleep and lack the willpower to not do whatever I want to do instead, no matter how sleepy I am. What finally worked was a ritual that served as both positive reinforcement and physiological manipulation. I love bubble baths, and they put me in a relaxed mindspace where much less willpower is required to go to sleep. Bubble baths are now my bedtime ritual. Between 9 and 11PM, I shut off my laptop, don my robe, light scented candles, and draw a bath. Exactly like that, every single time.

It's not difficult, in part because a ritual doesn't really feel like my decision. It feels more like an external way the world is, something it would take effort to change, like the lunch meeting scheduled for Wednesday. Taking a bath is the last thing I'm allowed to do before sleeping, and it's something I always look forward to. Sleeping is simply the conclusion of the ritual.

Obviously, rituals are dangerous, especially in group contexts. But they're dangerous because they really are powerful. We can delude ourselves with rituals, but we can also use them as cheat codes for winning. We just have to use them judiciously.

Comment author: gwern 07 December 2012 04:09:38AM *  8 points [-]

Between 9 and 11PM, I shut off my laptop, don my robe, light scented candles, and draw a bath.

I'd point out that there's a plausible physiological mechanism here: aside from a nice hot bath being relaxing (no doubt there's research on this), avoiding electronics may also mean avoiding blue light which suppresses melatonin secretion.

Comment author: Swimmer963 07 December 2012 04:33:20AM *  3 points [-]

There's a program called f.lux that you can download on a computer/laptop, and it senses your current location, looks up time of sunrise and sunset, and changes your screen to warm hues only after your local sunset. It's not distracting at all–I only notice it if I actually see the transition happen. However, I don't know if it makes any difference.

I also turn the screen brightness down if I'm on the computer right before bed, i.e. now.

Comment author: gwern 07 December 2012 04:41:21AM *  3 points [-]

I love Redshift myself, but he didn't mention taking any such precautions.

(As for difference - well, I've been randomizing use of Redshift since 11 May 2012, so in a few months I'll finish the experiment and look at the results.)

Comment author: Vertigo 10 December 2012 06:40:14PM 3 points [-]

Also, I'm not a he. ;-)

Comment author: pinyaka 05 February 2013 08:56:56PM 1 point [-]

How did your randomized trial with Redshift work out?

Comment author: gwern 09 February 2013 08:17:30PM 1 point [-]

It's not done yet. If it was, it'd be written up in the link.

Comment author: Vertigo 10 December 2012 06:39:21PM 0 points [-]

I do use Redshift, actually. Color change at sunset, computer off by 11. The first part's about melatonin, the second is about getting out of my head. Very interested in the results of your experiment.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 December 2012 08:10:54AM 0 points [-]

I tried f.lux, but hated the color change with a passion. As usual, there's a lot of individual variation-- I notice colors a lot in general. Do you?

Comment author: [deleted] 07 December 2012 08:42:37AM *  1 point [-]

I use Redshift, and while I do notice the change (so it'd be impossible for me to tell how much of the insomnia-preventing effect is due to placebo), it doesn't bother me at all.

(Edit: BTW, with Redshift the transition is gradual throughout the day, rather than near-instantaneous at sunset and sunrise.)

Comment author: Pablo_Stafforini 25 December 2012 12:29:59AM 1 point [-]

(Edit: BTW, with Redshift the transition is gradual throughout the day, rather than near-instantaneous at sunset and sunrise.)

f.lux offers fast (20 seconds) and slow (60 minutes) transitions.

Comment author: Vertigo 10 December 2012 06:24:47PM 0 points [-]

Yes, this is what I meant by "physiological manipulation". The dropping of body temperature as you cool down from a bath may also induce sleepiness. I try to make my rituals as efficient as possible.

Comment author: Swimmer963 07 December 2012 04:31:24AM 2 points [-]

Between 9 and 11PM, I shut off my laptop, don my robe, light scented candles, and draw a bath. Exactly like that, every single time.

Glad it works for you, but I don't have 2 hours a night that I can spend not doing anything.

Then again, I don't have a huge amount of difficulty regulating my sleep schedule. It takes me a long time to fall asleep (I would say 45 minutes on average) but it always has and it doesn't stress me out–it's awfully comfy lying in bed. I tend to get tired fairly early–in fact, I'm often pretty tired all the time, because my schedule is insane, thus the lack of 2 hours a day for bedtime rituals.

Every once in a while I'll pass my bedtime while engaged in a superstimulus, like reading a good book, but most of the time I look at when I have to wake up, count back eight to nine hours, and put myself to bed at that time. If not a ritual, this is definitely a strongly reinforced habit–it doesn't take much willpower to get myself off my laptop 10 minutes before bedtime, because I know full well how good being in bed will feel, and how I'll feel the next day if I don't go to bed on time.

Comment author: Vertigo 10 December 2012 06:28:42PM *  2 points [-]

Oh, I didn't mean I shut my laptop off for the duration of 9 to 11. I meant "I shut it off not after 11, and closer to 9 if possible". This actually ends up taking up about half an hour. It nets me lots of time, really, because it makes it easier for me to go to sleep, which makes it easier for me to get up at a regular time, which makes me far more productive while I'm awake. So less of the time in my day is wasted on being inefficient.