Daniel_Burfoot comments on A Parable On Obsolete Ideologies - Less Wrong

113 Post author: Yvain 13 May 2009 10:51PM

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Comment author: Daniel_Burfoot 14 May 2009 02:02:51PM -1 points [-]

I hope when you guys get done beating up on theism, you'll take on a real challenge and go up against the SWPL bloc. That religion is far more dangerous and far more powerful than poor old Judeo-Christianity, which isn't even able to order scientists around anymore. Maybe Eliezer can debate Nancy Hopkins?

Comment author: cousin_it 14 May 2009 03:22:54PM *  5 points [-]

I sympathize with your sentiment, but guess you'll have a hard time persuading LW/OB rationalists to act up against SWPL - great name for the phenomenon btw, I will use it from now on. First, such actions would greatly harm the stated goal of outreach to intelligent/educated demographics. Second, on sober thought SWPL per se hasn't yet caused as much hurt in the world as competing ideologies have (I'm not counting spiritual ancestors, this would be unfair). Third, a lot of us here are SWPL followers.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 14 May 2009 03:41:00PM 7 points [-]

Perhaps we could make some progress if we employed a divide and conquer strategy. The agendas of the SW and PL blocs are not entirely consonant. Generally speaking, the SW position is somewhat more amenable to the techniques of rationality discussed on this site. The PL worldview, however, is more deeply committed to dark side epistemology (though I imagine that that could be a controversial position even here).

Seriously, though, what is SWPL?

Comment author: Multiheaded 29 March 2012 07:38:06PM 0 points [-]

:D

This is some of the best short political satire I've ever read!

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 14 May 2009 09:59:39PM 2 points [-]

Second, on sober thought SWPL per se hasn't yet caused as much hurt in the world as competing ideologies have.

Agreed, the subculture in question seems fairly innocuous in itself. It needs infiltration and purging of dangerous aspects, not external opposition (fortunately, we seem to already have many inside agents).

Comment author: ciphergoth 14 May 2009 03:30:40PM 1 point [-]

You seem to have deciphered the initialism, what does it refer to?

Comment author: cousin_it 14 May 2009 04:39:31PM *  3 points [-]

Stuff White People Like - steven0461 got it right.

Comment author: Z_M_Davis 14 May 2009 10:12:45PM 8 points [-]

That religion

Please taboo religion. If you want to argue that a certain cluster of beliefs commonly held by upper-middle-class white American liberals is systematically mistaken in ways analogous to religious beliefs, and that this has harmful consequences, do come out and say this explicitly, and maybe we could have a productive discussion about the actual issues at hand. But gratuitous misuse of the world religion to describe positions you dislike just functions as a semantic stopsign. Actual religions have things like deities, and prayers, and rituals.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 14 May 2009 10:56:52PM 3 points [-]

Wiki articles for Rationalist taboo and Semantic stopsign.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 14 May 2009 10:44:59PM 3 points [-]

Assuming a charitable interpretation, I think he was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek with the use of "religion" there.

Comment author: Annoyance 15 May 2009 04:26:56PM 2 points [-]

Actual religions have things like deities, and prayers, and rituals.

No, not necessarily. The usage you've criticized is perfectly compatible with the correct definition of the word. Please familiarize yourself with that definition before offering further criticism.

Taking a word and re-defining it into a 'semantic stopsign' doesn't help anything or anyone, except confusion and causes that can be aided by confusion.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 14 May 2009 09:42:10PM *  7 points [-]

Why has this been voted up 4 times without anybody explaining what he's talking about?

(Downvoted, for being hiply, intentionally obscure.)

The Wikipedia entry on Nancy Hopkins is a clue, but I still have no idea what SWPL stands for.

Comment author: Annoyance 15 May 2009 04:29:18PM 7 points [-]

Stuff White People Like.

It's a term often used by razib and people at the Gene Expression blog, derived from the satirical website of the same name, used to refer to the cultural and political choices favored by upper-middle-class-to-rich Caucasians, including political correctness and the modern connotations of 'liberalism'.

Comment author: Alicorn 14 May 2009 09:58:13PM 1 point [-]

It's been deciphered, although not confirmed by the original commenter.

Comment author: Alicorn 14 May 2009 03:11:43PM 2 points [-]

The top Google result for "SWPL" is the blog "Stuff White People Like". I'm pretty sure that they have nothing to do with Nancy Hopkins - what SWPL are you talking about?

Comment author: ciphergoth 14 May 2009 03:15:12PM 1 point [-]

This comment is the only hit on SWPL "Nancy Hopkins" - please expand the acronym. I'm guessing it doesn't refer to "Stuff White People Like".

Comment author: steven0461 14 May 2009 04:27:51PM 6 points [-]

It does refer to "Stuff White People Like", which is a perceived cluster of beliefs and behaviors that includes political correctness, hence Nancy Hopkins.