MugaSofer comments on LW Women- Minimizing the Inferential Distance - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MugaSofer 27 November 2012 12:50:46AM 0 points [-]

YMMV, in my experience anti-racism is, in fact, on the curriculum (I'm Irish) and most people don't see themselves as belonging to the group "sexists" which must be defended (am I strawmanning you here?)

Comment author: JulianMorrison 27 November 2012 01:05:19AM 5 points [-]

People don't see their attitudes as anything but "normal" because being a sexist or a racist doesn't feel like villainy, doesn't even feel like a moral choice, it just feels like facts.

Comment author: MugaSofer 27 November 2012 01:18:39AM 0 points [-]

Oh, yes. Always. I'm just not sure how many people both hold sexist beliefs and allow them to impact the curriculum. Again, I'm Irish, so i may be worse wherever you are.

Comment author: TorqueDrifter 27 November 2012 12:55:56AM 2 points [-]

Yep. They don't see themselves as sexist, but they are. That makes it more difficult to effect change.

Comment author: MugaSofer 27 November 2012 01:14:41AM 2 points [-]

... I have to admit, I was implicitly defining "sexist" as someone who holds sexist beliefs, not someone who is unconsciously biased. Hell, most people in our society are subconsciously biased against black people, but since we know this to be a bias we will try to work against this if we realize it.

Comment author: [deleted] 27 November 2012 06:50:34PM 0 points [-]

According to the Implicit Association Test, I'm strongly subconsciously biased in favour of black people (though given the particular set of stimuli they used, I think the test only actually shows that I'm biased in favour of broad noses).

Comment author: [deleted] 30 November 2012 01:45:21PM *  0 points [-]

No, it's not just that. When in this TED talk the guy said “Vultures are being poisoned because humans ...”, some part of my brain expected to see white people, and when the slide showed black people that part of my brain thought “Wait... so black people do nasty stuff too? o.O”. Likewise, when I read stories about humans causing extensive damage to the environment, I don't get the same gut feeling of indignation when it's non-Europeans doing that (e.g. the Māori exterminating moa or the tragedy of the commons on Easter Island) as I feel when Europeans do that.