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Comment author: MugaSofer 27 November 2012 02:19:13AM *  2 points [-]

whereas it is still so for men.

So break it

Once again, I support the right to wear underpants on your head but I wouldn't teach my kids it's socially acceptable.

snip "trans is a choice"

It shows up on brainscans.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 28 November 2012 01:21:21AM *  10 points [-]

snip "trans is a choice"

It shows up on brainscans.

How is the second sentence at all evidence against the first?

Comment author: MugaSofer 29 November 2012 10:52:38PM 1 point [-]

... because you don't, as a rule, choose your own neurophysiology. Certain structures in transsexuals' brains are closer to the form they take in cisgendered members of the sex they identify with than the sex they appear to be.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 30 November 2012 01:08:12PM 4 points [-]

... because you don't, as a rule, choose your own neurophysiology.

Become a taxi driver and grow your hippocampus. The boundary between what you can change and what you can't is not as clear as you seem to think.

Certain structures in transsexuals' brains are closer to the form they take in cisgendered members of the sex they identify with than the sex they appear to be.

Do we know what these structures do?

Comment author: MugaSofer 01 December 2012 06:27:07AM 0 points [-]

Become a taxi driver and grow your hippocampus. The boundary between what you can change and what you can't is not as clear as you seem to think.

As I have said elsewhere, there is a sliding scale involved. This is decidedly towards the "unchosen" end, and considering that transsexuals report having changed their lifestyle as a result of preexisting problems, it seems reasonable to call this one for the "nature" side.

Do we know what these structures do?

Besides this? No.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 30 November 2012 02:08:44AM 4 points [-]

... because you don't, as a rule, choose your own neurophysiology.

You have some control over it. Everything you do and every thought you have affects your neurophysiology. How much control you have over it is an interesting question, which can't be answered simply by pointing to differences on brain scans.

Comment author: MugaSofer 30 November 2012 09:23:12AM *  0 points [-]

There's a sliding scale. At one end, we have things like frontal lobes. At the other, we have imagination. This is the kind of structure that doesn't alter without external stimuli, and even then it's bloody hard.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 28 November 2012 11:59:56AM 7 points [-]

It shows up on brainscans.

If you take physicalism seriously, every experience can be expected to show up eventually, on sufficiently advanced brain scans. That has no bearing on what is a choice and what is not. Choices and non-choices will both have physical correlates.

Comment author: MugaSofer 29 November 2012 09:56:10PM -1 points [-]

Autism is a choice!