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Comment author: JulianMorrison 27 November 2012 02:32:07AM -1 points [-]

You don't have experience, and you turn away vicarious experience - the inferential distance is too large.

Comment author: MugaSofer 27 November 2012 02:43:05AM 5 points [-]

I have the experience of being a male and having other males make unsolicited greetings, which makes me uncomfortable and generally resembles what Nancy reported. Since I doubt the same phenomenon is responsible for the greetings I receive and the "catcalling"many women report, I suggested that Nancy's experiences had a different cause to regular, sexual catcalling. I may have made some sort of error, but if so I would prefer you point it out rather than baldly accuse me of a failure of empathy.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 27 November 2012 12:48:54PM 5 points [-]

For what it's worth, every stranger who's given me an unwanted "How are you doing?" has been male, and the incidence has dropped off strikingly as I've hit menopause.

I do think there's a sexual element, and for all I know, there was one in the unwanted greetings from men that you've gotten.

However, please note that I raised the question about whether the relatively mild "How are you doing?" should be counted among catcalls. The thing that people usually complain about is more overtly sexual and/or gendered, and frequently hostile to start with or becomes hostile if rejected.

Comment author: MugaSofer 27 November 2012 05:23:07PM 3 points [-]

I wasn't trying to make any claims about catcalling, merely supplying evidence that "how are you doing" is a different phenomenon.

... I have to say, the possibility that it's sexual is there - I have long hair, long enough that I've been mistaken for female (more so before I hit puberty, of course.) But my name is used fairly often, so I suspect I'm just more recognizable than skilled at recognizing others.

Comment author: TorqueDrifter 27 November 2012 05:29:19PM 3 points [-]

my name is used fairly often

This seems like an important detail.