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Comment author: gwern 27 November 2012 06:22:25PM 2 points [-]

One indicator here is their erotic manga specifically, which have been featuring terrifyingly high amounts of exactly what's said in the quote in the past couple years, and in growing proportion.

There are numbers for this?

Comment author: DaFranker 27 November 2012 06:39:40PM 0 points [-]

The easier-to-get numbers are simply number of hits for specific tags.

However, yes, there are all kinds of numbers for this. Most large-scale or popular cons in japan AFAIK keep fairly accurate records of circles' sales, and number of new releases in a genre or catering to particular tastes is usually strongly correlated with how well the big names in those genres/tastes have been selling in the near past, in my observations.

Comment author: gwern 27 November 2012 07:17:54PM 3 points [-]

As far as I know, the conventions have been racking up record growth throughout the 2000s and 2010s, so unless you've run the numbers you can't really say anything about the proportion - since everything has been increasing so much.

Comment author: DaFranker 27 November 2012 07:40:58PM *  1 point [-]

Well, my most important specific piece of evidence is that the ratio of scanlations tagged both "femdom" and "forced" out of all those tagged "forced" on certain databases has increased very significantly over the last three years.

I'm very reluctant to disclose my sources on this for social, signaling and personal reasons. I hope some of them are obvious. (also, in public with permanent records?)

Comment author: gwern 27 November 2012 07:49:47PM 2 points [-]

Eh, databases. Convention records are much more convincing.

Comment author: DaFranker 27 November 2012 07:51:49PM *  0 points [-]

True. Now that this topic has been brought to light and I realize it's a more serious issue than I had mentally filed it as, I might actually go look at some of those (along with other stuff I would want to find numbers for first, since this isn't the most important metric by any stretch). They're pretty hard to get, though.

Comment author: gwern 27 November 2012 08:50:50PM 0 points [-]

Comiket posted some interesting stats in http://www.comiket.co.jp/info-a/WhatIsEng080528.pdf so getting them might be as hard as asking?

Comment author: DaFranker 27 November 2012 08:56:41PM *  0 points [-]

Hmm. But Comiket is far from representative in this field. I'm erring on the side of: Asking a japanese convention host known for their erotic doujin content about their sales and stats, and them actually sending them to you, is going to be a bit more complicated than just and email saying "Hey, could you show me your stats and detailed sales records for the past few years?" (NTM they might not even know English)

Of course (unsurprisingly in retrospect), my "they're pretty hard to get" belief is cached and wasn't updated in quite a while, so I was probably overconfident in that statement.

Comment author: gwern 27 November 2012 09:06:50PM 0 points [-]

Comiket is the largest and most mainstream, is it not? If you pick another convention, that raises serious issues of whether their specialty affects things and is not a nationally representative sample. (It might be like going to Reitaisai's organizers, asking for stats on Touhou stuff, and exclaiming: "the first year, Touhou only made up 70% of the sales, but the percentage just kept increasing and now it's verging on 100%! My god: think of how many shrine maidens must be getting raped every year, all without any reporting!")

Also, presumably someone in Comiket knows English or else that PDF couldn't've been written.

Comment author: DaFranker 27 November 2012 09:17:23PM 0 points [-]

(It might be like going to Reitaisai's organizers, asking for stats on Touhou stuff, and exclaiming: "the first year, Touhou only made up 70% of the sales, but the percentage just kept increasing and now it's verging on 100%! My god: think of how many shrine maidens must be getting raped every year, all without any reporting!")

I burst out laughing while reading this. Thankfully, my office colleagues didn't ask.

Yes, Comiket is the most mainstream, but perhaps for this reason (countersignaling involved?) I've read various comments that point towards: Don't go there if you're looking for good ero-doujin. Cross-referencing online database of circles with which-ones-were-there for various cons might remedy / clarify / answer all of this, but that sounds like way more work than I usually end up actually doing.

First and obvious thing to do, however, would be to check whether someone else has already done part of the work on something like this that I could go steal data from.