TimS comments on LW Women- Minimizing the Inferential Distance - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TimS 28 November 2012 02:50:42PM 2 points [-]

how much they desire [to violate gender norms] is how they were brought up.

This argument would have more force if you had specific examples of different things parents do that affect the existence of the desire to violate gender norms.

For example, J. Edgar Hoover was born in 1895 (and was a cross-dresser). There's no plausible argument that second-wave feminism (circa 1960s) or third-wave feminism (circa 1990s) had any effect on his upbringing.

If society could affect the frequency of the desire, reducing the frequency might be a viable solution. But I've yet to hear a vaguely plausible story about what parents can choose to do that would have any effect.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 29 November 2012 04:21:39AM 3 points [-]

For example, J. Edgar Hoover was born in 1895 (and was a cross-dresser).

The cross-dressing think was probably a black legend.

There's no plausible argument that second-wave feminism (circa 1960s) or third-wave feminism (circa 1990s) had any effect on his upbringing.

In any case a single anecdote isn't strong evidence and it's pretty clear that the amount of cross dressing and other gay/trans phenomena has gone up since the 1960s and the 1990s.