Eugine_Nier comments on LW Women- Minimizing the Inferential Distance - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 06 December 2012 04:19:35AM 5 points [-]

I'm hoping that the current high-friction approach will lead to the invention of better methods. I'm pretty sure that a major contributor to the current difficulties is that there is no reliable method of enabling people to become less prejudiced. I've wondered whether reshaping implicit association tests into video games would help.

I think people complaining about things like implicit association tests are missing the fundamental problem. The problem isn't that people's system I has 'racist' aliefs, it's that those aliefs do in fact correspond to reality.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 06 December 2012 05:34:17AM 3 points [-]

Why do you believe that people's prejudices are generally accurate?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 07 December 2012 02:11:56AM 5 points [-]

Look at the statistics for race and IQ (or any other measure of intelligence), or race and crime rate.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 December 2012 09:01:51AM 2 points [-]

Look at the statistics for race and IQ

They show that East Asian are smarter in average than White Americans, and I'm not sure that many people alieve that.

race and crime rate

Any such statistic would also reflect any bias in the law-enforcement system. How do we know how many white people commit crimes but don't get caught?

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 07 December 2012 10:05:09AM 6 points [-]

They show that East Asian are smarter in average than White Americans, and I'm not sure that many people alieve that.

I do; am I mistaken to do so?

Any such statistic would also reflect any bias in the law-enforcement system. How do we know how many white people commit crimes but don't get caught?

Asian-Americans also have lower crime rates than White Americans. Are you saying this is likely due to "bias in the law-enforcement system"?

Comment author: [deleted] 07 December 2012 11:18:29AM -1 points [-]

I do; am I mistaken to do so?

Probably not; but IMO the criterion of mistakenness for aliefs (unlike for beliefs) is not being instrumentally useful (rather than not being epistemically accurate). If I'm trying to attract women, alieving that I'm unattractive would be a mistaken alief (though the linked article doesn't use the word “alief”).

I've written before about how aliefs about races can be problematic even when epistemically accurate. (My own aliefs about these things happen to be wrong even epistemically, so I need to be extra careful to compensate for them when I notice them.)

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 08 December 2012 03:26:27AM 6 points [-]

Having good aliefs about criminality, for example, is instrumentally useful.