Dias comments on LW Women Submissions: On Misogyny - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Dias 10 April 2013 11:43:31PM 13 points [-]

Both respondents give many examples of people being treated very badly/treating others very badly, but it's not clear what this has to do with misogyny. Just because you're looking for a pattern and see a bunch of examples that fit the pattern doesn't mean the pattern had any causal influence. Yes, in these cases they were men being mean to women (except with the grandmother beating up the brother). But if we were on the lookout for men being abusive to other men we'd also have many examples (rather more, according to my copy of Male Violence, ed. John Archer, 2001). Even if men being mean to women say misogynistic things, this doesn't show they're doing those actions because they are misogynistic, rather than just matching their rhetoric post hoc to their actions.

Comment author: Pentashagon 11 April 2013 12:42:22AM 3 points [-]

Did you read the first link? That is actual misogyny.

Comment author: Dias 11 April 2013 01:28:17AM 6 points [-]

1) The study shows that being male is being treated as evidence of being a good applicant. Regardless of the virtues of doing so, it's not the same as hating women, nor as "apologetics of abusing females", which is how the second respondent defined it.

2) I was, perhaps unclearly, referring to their examples. The purpose of these threads isn't (as far as I was aware) for LW women to bring up articles from the literature, it was to share our experiences. I was pointing out that these respondents had perhaps mis-characterised their experiences.