TimS comments on LW Women Submissions: On Misogyny - Less Wrong

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Comment author: OrphanWilde 12 April 2013 01:26:42PM 2 points [-]

Interesting that you accept that narrative as a full explanation, when the link it itself provides refers to one of the girls as a relative.

Indeed, one of the death threats mentioned was: "You ripped my family apart, you made my cousin cry, so when I see you bitch it’s going to be a homicide"

That sounds less like "...women often find it more personally beneficial to go along with sexism than to try to fight the power, on the theory that if you're going to be treated like a second-class citizen anyway, you might as well not get yelled at all the time for speaking up about it" and more like an immature teenager whose life was thrown into turmoil and is looking for somebody to lash out against.

Let's talk Steubenville, but let's compare like to like. What do you think public perception would be of two teenage girls who played with the genitals of an unconscious drunk guy?

Comment author: TimS 12 April 2013 07:17:24PM *  1 point [-]

What do you think public perception would be of two teenage girls who played with the genitals of an unconscious drunk guy?

In the local community, if the two girls were co-captains of the softball team, and the town was softball-mad in the way Steubenville is apparently football-mad (American football)?

I expect the locals in that hypothetical would react essentially like the locals in Steubenville - laughing at the victim, sharing humiliating pictures on social media, pressuring the victim not to complain. If the local reaction made national news, I expect criminal charges would be brought. Would the judge in the case warn the defendants "to have discussions about how you talk to your friends; how you record things on the social media so prevalent today; and how you conduct yourself when drinking is put upon you by your friends"? Don't know.

Your claim is that society is more tolerant of non-consensual violence on males, so your claims are false if society is merely equally tolerant. (And society is too tolerant of all physically harmful pressure to non-consensually or semi-consensually risk physical harm - consider the enormous social pressure on athletes to "man up" and play through injury).

Regarding Slate magazine (the source I've been linking) - I was linking them only for the facts - I don't expect you to agree with their analysis, and I don't necessarily endorse the analysis in any particular. But the facts they report are facts.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 12 April 2013 07:54:33PM 3 points [-]

Criminal charges would be limited to a misdemeanor in most jurisdictions within the US.

I've referenced some studies here: http://lesswrong.com/lw/fmv/lw_women_submissions_on_misogyny/8r7f

Society is not equally tolerant. There are of course asshats no matter what, but you're using the existence of some intolerance on both sides as "proof" that the level of intolerance is equal.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 12 April 2013 08:37:11PM 3 points [-]

It might be relevant that there's no enthusiasm for any female sport comparable to the enthusiasm for some male sports.

This doesn't mean I think the enthusiasm for male sports is an unmitigated advantage for males.