army1987 comments on LW Women Submissions: On Misogyny - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 11 April 2013 03:22:05PM 1 point [-]

It may also be that the speaker is themselves uncertain. That is, I might have convincing and emotionally salient evidence of the former and less-convincing but still emotionally salient evidence of the latter, and therefore have high confidence in the former and lower confidence in the latter (and similarly low confidence in the negation of the latter). In that case, communicating more clearly won't necessarily help you be sure which version I have in my mind... I have them both in my mind, to varying degrees.

Why is this a particularly important ambiguity for people speaking to you to make explicit, compared to the thousands of other ambiguities inherent in the use of natural language?

Comment author: [deleted] 12 April 2013 08:07:33PM *  2 points [-]

and similarly low confidence in the negation of the latter [“Deep in their hearts, all men desire to torture women. Some of them are just too afraid of legal consequences.”]

On the off chance that you're speaking personally rather than hypothetically (I hope not)... What??? FWIW, I am a man and, while I can't see arbitrarily deep into my heart, I have no desire to torture women (or anyone else, actually) so far as I can see, and I seldom think about possible legal consequences of my actions. Now I might be lying about that (so you have to take my word for it), or maybe I do have such a desire but it's so deep in my heart that I can't see it (but how would you make that belief pay rent?), but still... I'd find it appalling that anyone would give a non-negligible probability that “Deep in their hearts, all men [emphasis as in the original] desire to torture women”, for any value of deep that wouldn't make that statement useless-whether-true-or-false. (BTW, Gandhi was also a man, wasn't he?)

Comment author: randallsquared 12 April 2013 09:54:18PM 5 points [-]
Comment author: TheOtherDave 12 April 2013 08:44:02PM 2 points [-]

Your hope has been realized! Hooray!

That said, I also recommend that if you are going to spend very much time around women who have been severely traumatized by their experiences with abusive men, you prepare yourself to be appalled.