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Comment author: PhilGoetz 14 April 2013 04:07:29PM *  12 points [-]

I mean, if you are a normally attractive, or maybe even a slightly lower-than-average attractive man, and you go to clubs where sexually available women go searching for mates, and you approach a lot of these women, then provided you don't do something terribly stupid or awkward, you have good chances of getting laid.

Above-average attractiveness, 12 years of college parties, 2 years in a fraternity, attended hundreds of parties, bars, and clubs, threw about a dozen parties myself, spoke to thousands of women. Did not hook up once in that manner, even with women who obviously wanted to hook up with me. There is some secret courting dance the male must do at that point, and I don't know it.

I once threw a party and invited only random strangers, where every single person who attended hooked up with another stranger, except me and my co-host. We left 2 dozen strangers silently locking jaws in pairs in our apartment and went to another party.

After that, took up bodybuilding for a couple of years, and in the second year found it easy to pick up women without ever going to those places.

Comment author: Manfred 14 April 2013 04:45:28PM *  2 points [-]

At least it makes a good story.

Anyhow, I suspect the secret courting dance involves desperation and lots of awkwardness your first time. Pretty much everything unspoken does.

Comment author: [deleted] 14 April 2013 07:47:28PM *  2 points [-]

Above-average attractiveness,

Above-average or above-median? The latter doesn't imply the former, as the distribution of male attractiveness is skewed to the right. (I'm asking mostly because of your last paragraph.)

There is some secret courting dance the male must do at that point, and I don't know it.

Me neither. :-( Well, I might have figured it out recently, but I haven't met anyone who obviously wanted to hook up with me since.

(Fun fact: a couple of times when I was in Ireland, I would approach nearly every single woman in the club and the only one who wouldn't turn me down within minutes and I would end up making out with was the one who had approached me first. Then she would tell me that she had a boyfriend, or give me a fake number, and leave.)

Comment author: PhilGoetz 16 April 2013 02:11:54AM *  2 points [-]

Above-average or above-median?

I meant above median. But the graph you link to is skewed heavily to the left. Looks like women think something like 15% of men are above-medium attractiveness. I'm probably not on the right-hand side of that graph.

I constructed a graph of the distribution of number of sexual partners from a large dataset. I expected that most women were having sex with a small # of guys. This is true, but it's also true, to almost as great a degree, that most men are having sex with a small number of women.

Comment author: [deleted] 16 April 2013 05:41:22PM 3 points [-]

skewed heavily to the left.

You're using the term backwards. (I looked it up before posting my comment, and have just done so again.)

Comment author: [deleted] 16 April 2013 01:32:32PM 2 points [-]

Where did you get your dataset?

Comment author: V_V 15 April 2013 12:03:30AM 0 points [-]

Me neither. :-( Well, I might have figured it out recently, but I haven't met anyone who obviously wanted to hook up with me since.

At clubs?

Comment author: V_V 14 April 2013 11:57:43PM 1 point [-]

There is some secret courting dance the male must do at that point, and I don't know it.

Ok, obviously there are some men ("non-neurotypical") which find this part difficult. But my point is that the "secret courting dance" is not some mind manipulation dark ritual.

I once threw a party and invited only random strangers, where every single person who attended hooked up with another stranger, except me and my co-host. We left 2 dozen strangers silently locking jaws in pairs in our apartment and went to another party.

Maybe you should have considered inviting more women than men :D

Comment author: [deleted] 14 April 2013 05:09:05PM 1 point [-]

except me and my co-host

I'm assuming the two of you weren't attracted to each other (possibly due to being heterosexual people of the same gender), right? :-)