OrphanWilde comments on LW Women Submissions: On Misogyny - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 15 April 2013 01:33:50PM *  4 points [-]

My impression is that both sides in the argument are using the level of drunkness which supports their point.

The people who don't want drunk = non-consent imagine people who are moderately drunk, who are more likely to say choose sex than they would be sober, and who chose to get that drunk because they want to have sex but otherwise wouldn't.

The people who do want drunk = non-consent imagine people who are very drunk-- unconscious or barely able to mumble and make vague gestures.

Neither side is entirely wrong-headed, though my sympathies are with the second group, since it's pretty common for people to drink to the point of incapacitation.

On the other hand, rules becoming much stricter than necessary happens too.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 15 April 2013 02:41:59PM 4 points [-]

I've encountered people who want drunkenness to be non-consent who explicitly reject the reasoning in your second example; they want any reduced capacity to make decisions to render consent invalid. (And I've seen some very convoluted logic about passive versus aggressive sexual behavior justifying why it's still rape when the man has also been drinking from a couple of them.)

(The inability to strawman feminism is really bizarre. It's possible to strawman individual feminists, but for the ideology as a whole, no matter how bizarre a position you can think up, there's somebody that actually holds that belief, and more insists it is proper feminist thought, and who probably also insists that anybody who doesn't agree isn't a proper feminist. And the craziest also tend to be the loudest; Jezebel, for instance.)

Comment author: [deleted] 20 April 2013 06:35:56PM 0 points [-]

any reduced capacity to make decisions

That sounds like a way too broad category to be useful. Most of the time there will be something or another that negatively affects my mental faculties.