David_Gerard comments on LW Women Submissions: On Misogyny - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 15 April 2013 04:07:30PM 0 points [-]

This implies that the ability to walk doesn't imply a reliably good grade of consent.

Comment author: V_V 15 April 2013 05:41:39PM 1 point [-]

As I said, there is some gray area. Some people can do things they later regret during alcoholic blackouts, but it doesn't mean that they are completely incapable to exercise judgement in these circumstances. In fact, in most cases they would be still considered legally responsable for their actions.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 15 April 2013 06:15:01PM 1 point [-]

Yep. Kill somebody, you're still held wholly responsible. Consent to sex, on the other hand, is far too serious a matter.

My general rule of thumb is thus: If you inebriate yourself, you're responsible for everything you do under the influence of alcohol, including consent. Your responsibility for your actions precludes actions intended to deny your own responsibility.

Which is not to say that sex with an unconscious person isn't rape; I limit myself strictly to those cases where the person does in fact give consent.

Comment author: gwern 15 April 2013 05:03:44PM 1 point [-]

Who could ever have doubted that?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 15 April 2013 05:20:51PM 0 points [-]

V_V says:

As a rule of thumb I would say that if somebody is able to walk on their own then they can consent, otherwise they can't.

Comment author: gwern 15 April 2013 05:50:53PM 2 points [-]

Yes, my point was that walking on your own has at least one well-known exception, and so of course no one would say that walking is any more than a fallible piece of evidence, a heuristic, a relatively reliable guide, a rule of thumb. You rephrasing it implied skepticism that it was ever fallible, so I brought up the exception (and particularly appropriate, note the mention of sex in the lede of the link).