Luke_A_Somers comments on LW Women Entries- Creepiness - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 01 May 2013 01:50:16PM 0 points [-]

But... this is the opposite of manipulation. How does making every effort to minimize manipulation get you in trouble for manipulating?

Comment author: OrphanWilde 01 May 2013 05:38:23PM 3 points [-]

It won't get me in trouble for manipulating. But you misestimate what's going on: Such a strategy isn't manipulation-minimizing. In fact it depends on some (positive) manipulation, trying to frame the question in a way that makes the other person more comfortable saying no. There's also some negative manipulation going on, however, in that the framing -also- makes the other person less likely to say no, even if it is just at the marginal cases.

Effective manipulation doesn't rely on changing another person's thought processes, it relies on subverting them. Don't make them into a person who will do X, be the person they would do X for/to.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 01 May 2013 06:09:25PM 2 points [-]

Your definition of manipulation is so broad I think it loses all relevant meaning. Framing a question is a matter of clear communication.