SoullessAutomaton comments on Religion, Mystery, and Warm, Soft Fuzzies - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Emily 19 May 2009 08:42:34PM *  7 points [-]

Don't worry, I don't feel picked on or excluded -- actually, I've been pleasantly surprised to see how willing people are to have these discussions frankly. But you haven't quite got the issue right, not from my personal point of view anyway. What I think when I run across something like the "women are alluring" statement isn't too similar to d). It's more like: "Women are alluring, ah yes they sure are to many people (possibly even insert a little of b) here). Cool. I hope this isn't one of those people who thinks we aren't good for much else... Hey, you can really tell this post is written by another het guy, can't you? And that he didn't stop to consider any viewpoint other than his own on this particular issue. Not that I blame him particularly, but does this ever get tiring when it happens all the damn time. I wonder if there's anywhere else this guy has forgotten to account for other valid perspectives in this article? What the heck was this piece all about anyway?"

I've noticed a couple of people saying that it wouldn't bother them if the situation was reversed. I have to admit to a twinge of impatience with this opinion, although I'm sure those expressing it are not being deliberately obtuse or condescending. No, of course it wouldn't bother you, because you don't have to put up with this crap all the time. It's called privilege. Being male, you have the privilege to ignore that sort of thing on the rare occasions when it does happen to you. This is why it's an issue. Just like it was an issue that my friend was asked by her supervising professor yesterday whether she's ever considered that there might be something seriously wrong with her "because most girls have really neat round writing and yours isn't". That's an idiotic remark that deserves to be simply ignored. But we can't afford to ignore these little silly things because they happen so ridiculously often.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 19 May 2009 09:26:19PM 2 points [-]

Just like it was an issue that my friend was asked by her supervising professor yesterday whether she's ever considered that there might be something seriously wrong with her "because most girls have really neat round writing and yours isn't".

I must confess, I am somewhat dismayed that an individual who would say something that inane and obtuse is a professor.

Comment author: Emily 19 May 2009 09:30:50PM 1 point [-]

I only wish academia were immune to this sort of nonsense. I actually feel as though I've noticed an increase in my experience of it since coming to university.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 19 May 2009 09:35:22PM 1 point [-]

With the isolated environment, there is a certain tendency for academics to... fossilize. If the professor in question was an older man, likely he was a product of his time who changed little since then.

For all the "liberal" reputation the academic world has, in many ways it is remarkably backward-looking, except possibly in cutting-edge science.