Kaj_Sotala comments on Causal Universes - Less Wrong

60 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 November 2012 04:08AM

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Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 28 November 2012 08:07:59AM 19 points [-]

The relationship between continuous causal diagrams and the modern laws of physics that you described was fascinating. What's the mainstream status of that?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 28 November 2012 11:20:35AM 3 points [-]

Odd, the last paragraph of the above seems to have gotten chopped. Restored. No, I haven't particularly heard anyone else point that out but wouldn't be surprised to find someone had. It's an important point and I would also like to know if anyone has developed it further.

Comment author: shev 30 November 2012 08:13:26PM *  8 points [-]

I found that idea so intriguing I made an account.

Have you considered that such a causal graph can be rearranged while preserving the arrows? I'm inclined to say, for example, that by moving your node E to be on the same level - simultaneous with - B and C, and squishing D into the middle, you've done something akin to taking a Lorentz transform?

I would go further to say that the act of choosing a "cut" of a discrete causal graph - and we assume that B, C, and D share some common ancestor to prevent completely arranging things - corresponds to the act of the choosing a reference frame in Minkowski space. Which makes me wonder if max-flow algorithms have a continuous generalization.

edit: in fact, max-flows might be related to Lagrangians. See this.

Comment author: irrationalist 28 November 2012 12:45:41PM 2 points [-]

Showed up in Penrose's "The Fabric of Reality." Curvature of spacetime is determined by infinitesimal light cones at each point. You can get a uniquely determined surface from a connection as well as a connection from a surface.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 28 November 2012 05:58:03PM 10 points [-]

Obviously physicists totally know about causality being restricted to the light cone! And "curvature of space = light cones at each point" isn't Penrose, it's standard General Relativity.

Comment author: irrationalist 30 November 2012 04:08:42PM 0 points [-]

Not claiming it's his own idea, just that it showed up in the book, I assume it's standard.

Comment author: diegocaleiro 29 November 2012 04:04:47AM 6 points [-]

David Deutsch, not Roger Penrose. Or wrong title.

Comment author: lukeprog 28 November 2012 03:17:55PM 3 points [-]

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