illicitlearning comments on Causal Universes - Less Wrong

60 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 November 2012 04:08AM

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Comment author: illicitlearning 28 November 2012 07:57:18PM 2 points [-]

There are plenty of sentences that have a noun, a verb, and a subject without having an agent - anything in passive voice or any unaccusative will do the trick. I suspect the argument would be even better worded using semantic roles rather than syntactic categories, eg: "Causality exists when there is an event with an agent". This isn't a very interesting thing to say though, because "agent" is a casual semantic role and so relies on causality existing by definition. You literally cannot have an event with an agent unless there is causality.

Comment author: Emily 29 November 2012 09:14:31AM 1 point [-]

Yes, agreed. Semantic roles make the claim much more valid (but also less interesting, it seems to me).