CCC comments on Causal Universes - Less Wrong

60 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 November 2012 04:08AM

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Comment author: CCC 29 November 2012 03:35:41PM *  2 points [-]

Hmmm.

As a bilingual person myself (English/Afrikaans, though my Afrikaans is comparatively poor), I have to say that I'd probably treat moral statements in the different languages by mentally translating the Afrikaans to English and then deciding on the basis of the translation. However, here phrasing becomes important.

Consider, for example, the following two statements:

  • It is wrong to kill
  • It is wrong to commit murder

Are these two equally true? In the first case, legal execution of a convicted criminal is included, in the second case it is excluded. Such subtle differences in phrasing could very easily turn up between the two languages, as often a word in one language merely has a close approximation in the other (and not a direct translation).

Comment author: wedrifid 29 November 2012 04:03:53PM *  2 points [-]
  • It is always wrong to kill
  • It is always wrong to commit murder

Are these two equally true?

Yes, they are---in as much as two false things are each zero true. What they aren't is equivalent. If you didn't included the absolute modifier "always" then it could perhaps make sense to evaluate "degree of truth".

Comment author: CCC 30 November 2012 07:36:13AM 2 points [-]

You are correct; I have edited the grandparent to remove the word "always" from both statements.

Comment author: Emily 29 November 2012 06:33:15PM 0 points [-]

Yeah, it's entirely possible that some effect like that would confound everything too much. Bilinguals with close to equal proficiency in both languages might be less inclined to do some sort of mental translation, though. (Still, the whole idea comes perilously close to wanting people to "think in" a particular one of their languages, which in my opinion doesn't necessarily make sense at all.)