shminux comments on Causal Universes - Less Wrong

60 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 November 2012 04:08AM

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Comment author: shminux 30 November 2012 12:34:37AM *  6 points [-]

It is rarely appreciated that the Novikov self-consistency principle is a trivial consequence of the uniqueness of the metric tensor (up to diffeomorphisms) in GR.

Indeed, given that (a neighborhood of) each spacetime point, even in a spacetime with CTCs, has a unique metric, it also has unique stress-energy tensor derived from this metric (you neighborhoods to do derivatives). So there is a unique matter content at each spacetime point. In other words, your grandfather cannot be alternately alive (first time through the loop) or dead (when you kill him the second time through the loop) at a given moment in space and time.

The unfortunate fact that we can even imagine the grandfather paradox to begin with is due to our intuitive thinking that that the spacetime is only a background for "real events", a picture as incompatible with GR as perfectly rigid bodies are with SR.

Comment author: iainjcoleman 05 December 2012 11:32:29PM 0 points [-]

How does the mass-energy of a dead grandfather differ from the mass-energy of a live one?

Comment author: shminux 05 December 2012 11:37:13PM 5 points [-]

Pretty drastically. One is decaying in the ground, the other is moving about in search of a mate. Most people have no trouble telling the difference.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 December 2012 01:20:20AM 3 points [-]

The total four-momentum may well be the same in both case, but the stress-energy-momentum tensor is different (the blood is moving in the live grandfather but not the dead one, etc., etc.)