lukeprog comments on Intuitions Aren't Shared That Way - Less Wrong

31 Post author: lukeprog 29 November 2012 06:19AM

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Comment author: lukeprog 29 November 2012 08:49:09PM *  4 points [-]

All I've asked you to do is at least pretend you have some familiarity with the field's content, and how that content relates to its raison d'etre.

I don't understand. Certainly, I'm at least "pretending" to have "some familiarity" with the field's content, and how that content relates to its raison d'etre, by way of citing hundreds of works in the field, quoting philosophers, hosting a podcast for which I interviewed dozens of philosophers for hours on end, etc.

it's implicit in the points you've repeatedly made, viz. "philosophers are stupid, if they only paid attention to science...." Well, they do pay attention to science, in fact there is a whole realm of philosophers who pay attention to science and make that a centerpiece of their discussion

Of course many philosophers pay attention to science. When Eliezer wrote, "If there's any centralized repository of reductionist-grade naturalistic cognitive philosophy, I've never heard mention of it," I replied (earlier in this sequence):

When I read that I thought: What? That's Quinean naturalism! That's Kornblith and Stich and Bickle and the Churchlands and Thagard and Metzinger and Northoff! There are hundreds of philosophers who do that!

Again: you're straw-manning me. I've said specific things about the ways in which many philosophers are ignoring scientific results, but I'm quite aware that they pay attention to other parts of science, and of course that many of them (e.g. the experimental philosophers) pay attention to the kinds of evidence that I'm accusing others of ignoring.

you said in your article that, since some philosophers accept intuitions as valid... therefore we should consider philosophy an artifact of Cartesian thinking.

Straw man number... 5? 6? I've lost count. Where did I say that?

You've taken it for granted without outright saying it.

Wait, first you claim that "you said in your article that..." and in the very next paragraph you claim that I've "taken it for granted without outright saying it"? I'm very confused.

I see, so the cultural norm is to take unfavorable samples of a field you don't like, present them as exemplars, complain when people don't accept that position without criticism, and then hide behind rules meant to fortify your pre-existing groupthink.

No. I complain when I do all the work of presenting arguments, examples, and evidence, and you simply deny it all without presenting any arguments, examples, and evidence of your own.